Hey, I need an honest opinion on Roleplay on the server

[Serpentis]

I mean, it's fine. And in my faction we are not like doing chatgpt style anyway so your way to RP your enclave was okay in my opinion.

And, I am sorry, I am having some slight trouble exactly understanding what you meant by "ChatGPT", I am guessing you meant that your faction and RP aren't like; Sounding as if it is made by the ChatGPT. That I can 100% assure I never thought!
And please, do not take my decline to the invitation you so nicely offered as a sleight towards you or your roleplay.
Trust me, I appreciate and really am impressed of those that are able to Roleplay AI characters in general.
As I said, I never find the roleplay interesting, but that was basically because I was reaaally bad at it xD
Like, I had to give the AI's we had, personalities near human like. And that made it a lot more interesting, for -me- and the others in the faction.
We had pure AI's that were developing outside of their programming.
But but, I do wish you and your faction nothing but enjoyment and a lot of fun in your adventures!

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I'm one of those people who tried to focus solely on roleplay but I'm also a control freak. For that reason I always find myself trying to roleplay with people but wind up trying to control the narrative because I have an idea in mind for my story but it never works as intended. This tends to alienate people from RPing with me in game. I'd sit around Barrier Gate, New York, etc. just to catch someone to RP with but wind up sitting there for hours with nary a conversation except the random "Greetings" from a silent powertrader--if I even got that much.

Many of my personal successes has been with Freelancers or Zoners though I've dabbled in the Pirate ID on occasion--and I have a really cool Rogue faction idea but considering my failures in the past, I hesitate to even bother. Neutral tends to work best for trying to navigate RP, but not always.

The server feels like, to me, as a PvP server with an RP streak instead of the other way around. There are groups and individuals who seek to only get blues or blow up POBs because of some imagined slight by the owner from months past--there are bad eggs in every community. That said, there are those here who are of a like mind to you, myself included.

All that to say: Yes. There is a place for a dedicated roleplayer.

If I ever decide to install Discovery again and give it another go, hit me up. I'll probably be on an SLRC ship as the last remaining active member or Outrider-1, my Freelancer explorer/mysterious figure. For now though, I'm staying away and just surfing the forums from time to time.

Hope to see you around, and good luck.

The bolded text I highlighted in your quote is where you need to change your views.
Because, this is exactly what I think you may get the best amount of enjoyment out of it.
As a faction leader, it's a mix of control and responsibilities. BUT, it will give you a chance to create a narrative!
And for those that might be interested in such an narrative, there will be those that would sign up quickly.
So, really, don't drop the idea.
Make a document. Hell, even format it for the forums and then check with people of what they think.
I would absolutely read it through and comment, if you want!
And I am not saying I am a good writer or storyteller, but I looooove fun roleplay ideas!
So, please, don't give up on that idea just yet.
Let yourself sit and write it down that is there in your head.
If nothing else, just to write it all down and have it OUT so to say.
It might just helps with your concept of others alienated you for being controlling.
Because, it just sounds like you want others and you to have fun, by providing a sort of story for them to follow.
That is NOT a bad thing, that is a sign of an Storyteller / Dungeon Master so to say

And it might actually give you a new reason to log and just play a character related to the faction. A reason to play

You're a precious soul, Serpentis. I wish we had more people that think like you. That's not to alienate everyone else, there's still some great stuff going on here, but the effort you're willing to put in is certainly what we need to see more of. You're welcome to chat to me via Discord sometime about it.

The bottom line is that there is a place for you, as you are one great example of "how it used to be" as well as the standards we want to have. It's just sadly not that simple these days as the dwindling playerbase can no longer hold up that standard by itself. That's not to say we can't swing back that way, but it's gonna be harder than before.


It'd be unreasonable for anyones feathers to be ruffled honestly. Can't see why people would push back against the core of idea of the server - RP.

Thank you, really. But, it makes me sound as if I am special in this way of thought. Which, I am obviously not.
Look at the many answers in this stupid thread, there is such a want and apparent space for the Roleplay that the "older generations" viewpoint on Roleplay First is still here and is wanted.
No, I am NOT unique in any way shape or form.
I just think that the main focus for the newer ones has become: "Wanna PVP? Have fun blasting people? Then join: XXXXX" and etc. etc. Because, that is somewhat what the "younger generations" tend to gravitate to. That is something that is normal now. I mean, look at the MAJOR games right now. PvP is king. Being able to gank and get those K/D ratios is what they get the "high" from. And it isn't bad per say.
But, when Roleplay is a big part of an experience. Facing such people with those kind of views, the Roleplayers will be chased away. Or, focus on things that means the PvPers will chase the neutral ones. And that is what I am seeing. Unfortunate.
And, yes, the playerbase is declining and so does the "quality" of RP. But I honestly think there just needs to be more incentives to Roleplay before going for the Pew Pew. Now, how to do that? F*ck if I know xD That is a thing I have been trying to consider since I started to lurk, years ago xD
But alas, as I think the devs and mods are realising. "What the F*ck do we do about this??"
But, if there is something I have faith in, is that the staff will manage to get people to have fun in one way or another.

And I would absolutely love to chat at some Point, good sir.

But right now, all I am thinking of how to get my very.. Annoyingly complicated character into Roleplay without having to finish his story XD
But, I will most likely just finish the story and see if I feel he will be the one I start to play again fully.

And again, thank you all for your comments and answers. I really, REALLY, appreciate it.
Have a good night <3

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[Lolipop12]

And, I am sorry, I am having some slight trouble exactly understanding what you meant by "ChatGPT", I am guessing you meant that your faction and RP aren't like; Sounding as if it is made by the ChatGPT. That I can 100% assure I never thought!
And please, do not take my decline to the invitation you so nicely offered as a sleight towards you or your roleplay.
Trust me, I appreciate and really am impressed of those that are able to Roleplay AI characters in general.
As I said, I never find the roleplay interesting, but that was basically because I was reaaally bad at it xD
Like, I had to give the AI's we had, personalities near human like. And that made it a lot more interesting, for -me- and the others in the faction.
We had pure AI's that were developing outside of their programming.
But but, I do wish you and your faction nothing but enjoyment and a lot of fun in your adventures!

Nah, some of us put some personalities. Some plays emotionless while, in my case, an AI just full of distrust and hate lol. That's what I meant. Feel free to read our faction info page!

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[Serpentis]

And, I am sorry, I am having some slight trouble exactly understanding what you meant by "ChatGPT", I am guessing you meant that your faction and RP aren't like; Sounding as if it is made by the ChatGPT. That I can 100% assure I never thought!
And please, do not take my decline to the invitation you so nicely offered as a sleight towards you or your roleplay.
Trust me, I appreciate and really am impressed of those that are able to Roleplay AI characters in general.
As I said, I never find the roleplay interesting, but that was basically because I was reaaally bad at it xD
Like, I had to give the AI's we had, personalities near human like. And that made it a lot more interesting, for -me- and the others in the faction.
We had pure AI's that were developing outside of their programming.
But but, I do wish you and your faction nothing but enjoyment and a lot of fun in your adventures!

Nah, some of us put some personalities. Some plays emotionless while, in my case, an AI just full of distrust and hate lol. That's what I meant. Feel free to read our faction info page!

And so I will good sir and or madame!
I aim to take a closer look at a few factions that had contacted me, and yours is in the top of the list
As I said, the very concept of a "pure" Ai faction is fascinating and I am envious of those that can pull it off.
As the things I did see, is something I totally can see you guys doing.
Don't ever change!

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[The_Godslayer]

Is there a place for a pure roleplayer?

Short answer: Yes with caveats.

Long answer: The portions of the game are not easily segregated. If you come looking for only powertrading, you're going to get hit in the face with pirates. How you respond to this situation is up to you, and is one of the measuring sticks for health of the community, and the health of those parts of the game. With a pure PvPer, you're going to be met with people who run and dock and log off. With a pure RPer, you're going to be met with people who simply refuse to chat. Each of these are also measuring sticks for health of the community.

Not as an accusation, but more as a warning for your own public perception, the description of "pure roleplayer" generally gives people the vibe of "sits 50-100K above plane with their group of friends roleplaying, and refuses to roleplay with anyone that doesn't assimilate to their friend group". Not because this is something you do, I doubt that it is, but because that is what the most infamous "pure roleplayers" did, and grudges don't fade easily.

As for those measuring sticks:
Most powertraders refuse to roleplay and take very underhanded methods to not be pirated or even interrupted.
PvPers are caught in a cycle of raidlogs, where they respond to someone's "please help" ping en masse, or attend an organized event. They tend to not play outside of raidlogs.
RPers are mostly on the forums as the stigma of "PvP is always anti-RP" has taken a horribly unfortunate chokehold, prompting them to not log in the game to "not give PvPers the satisfaction"
PoBoids are mostly in the same boat as powertraders, except that they do roleplay, but only with base suppliers and customers.
People who do all or select at least two or more of the main gameplay loops are doing quite alright, from what I can see. Everyone thinks they're part of the other group, though, and hates them accordingly.

While a pure roleplayer is a noble goal, I do recommend taking up at least a PvP side-gig, just to wade on the other side of the pond. Everyone's actions make sense to themselves, so walking in others' shoes is an important aspect of not getting in frankly stupid arguments and spawning legendary animosity. Or do, if you feel like it. I, personally, love drama and fights.

So, yeah, there's a place for pure roleplayers. Purity, though, requires rejecting people and accepting others. Discrimination, if you will. Segregation, even. And every action has its equal and opposite reaction. There are people who will go looking to fight you simply for the action of rejecting them. Such is the fate of pure roleplayers.

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[Serpentis]

Hey hey!

Is there a place for a pure roleplayer?

Short answer: Yes with caveats.

Long answer: The portions of the game are not easily segregated. If you come looking for only powertrading, you're going to get hit in the face with pirates. How you respond to this situation is up to you, and is one of the measuring sticks for health of the community, and the health of those parts of the game. With a pure PvPer, you're going to be met with people who run and dock and log off. With a pure RPer, you're going to be met with people who simply refuse to chat. Each of these are also measuring sticks for health of the community.

Yes, I do agree that they are indeed measuring sticks for a Roleplay community.
But it's also a measuring stick for the people that are part of that community, not just the community as a whole.
Let me explain.

Adaptability.
Let's say a faction wants to RP cool and fun Pirates and they need to have some sort of response by traders.
The first thing I would think is: "Do we need the credits?"
Then just ask for a piece of the cargo and then just -try- to rolplay with the trader. Ask it for like rumors and shit, whatever! Just get the conversation started and so that the direct reaction from the trader isn't: "Urgh, now I lose my profits this run again." and instead is: "Heh, pretty entertaining."
Now, the pirates might get sick of it eventually when all they face are powertraders.
But, at least give it a chance, maybe more and more traders will just enjoy to get pirated, once again.
Roleplay can make even the most annoying encounter fun.

Not as an accusation, but more as a warning for your own public perception, the description of "pure roleplayer" generally gives people the vibe of "sits 50-100K above plane with their group of friends roleplaying, and refuses to roleplay with anyone that doesn't assimilate to their friend group". Not because this is something you do, I doubt that it is, but because that is what the most infamous "pure roleplayers" did, and grudges don't fade easily.

Eeeh... Is that really how it is viewed to call yourself a "Pure Roleplayer"? To situate yourself from everyone else? Yeah, no, that's not roleplay. Might as well roleplay on Discord then.
And I really don't care about my own public perception, everyone can call me what ever they want
I am hardly here to gain popularity points, and nor am I getting that many friends, since I have had a few lovely messages on Discord xD

But, if "Pure Roleplayers" gave that perception, then they aren't really any better than a lot of the other "bad" parts of the community.
RP should always at least have the chance to include others. Well, at least to me.

As for those measuring sticks:
Most powertraders refuse to roleplay and take very underhanded methods to not be pirated or even interrupted.
PvPers are caught in a cycle of raidlogs, where they respond to someone's "please help" ping en masse, or attend an organized event. They tend to not play outside of raidlogs.
RPers are mostly on the forums as the stigma of "PvP is always anti-RP" has taken a horribly unfortunate chokehold, prompting them to not log in the game to "not give PvPers the satisfaction"
PoBoids are mostly in the same boat as powertraders, except that they do roleplay, but only with base suppliers and customers.
People who do all or select at least two or more of the main gameplay loops are doing quite alright, from what I can see. Everyone thinks they're part of the other group, though, and hates them accordingly.

Yikes, that is quite sad.
Which, unfortunately, I have no idea of what one could do to change that.
It has always been similar in the past too. But, by the love of everything, I can't really remember most of the encounters I had that were.. Silent or without some sort of Roleplay.
Then again, I was never one for making credits unless it had some RP in some parts of it.

While a pure roleplayer is a noble goal, I do recommend taking up at least a PvP side-gig, just to wade on the other side of the pond. Everyone's actions make sense to themselves, so walking in others' shoes is an important aspect of not getting in frankly stupid arguments and spawning legendary animosity. Or do, if you feel like it. I, personally, love drama and fights.

As I said previously, I won't be avoiding PvP when it comes to it, but I would never want that to be something I want to do.
That's why I won't be playing NPC factions whose part of them are meant to be in a fight.
Now, let's say I do end up playing my semi-legal freelancer smuggler character, I get that I will be pirated or even attacked by some. And I will accept that and of course put up a fight and make it fun for both me and them.
But, if you for example want to me to attempt to play a Merc or something, maybe even some sort of military, if nothing else just to involve myself into the PvP that exists in the game? Well, I won't. I don't want my entertainment to be measured by my skills in combat. Which are basically at minus levels right now xD
And yeah, you might say: "Eh, just go out and have fun and shoot some, even if you lose, it's fine, right?"
And yes, in some ways. But, the more you lose the less you want to do it. Like, I am only human, I have some sort of self worth. And participating eagerly in something I know I am not good at and being reminded of that, possibly each session I log? Yeah, I rather not cause myself any negativity, that I could've avoided.

So, yeah, there's a place for pure roleplayers. Purity, though, requires rejecting people and accepting others. Discrimination, if you will. Segregation, even. And every action has its equal and opposite reaction. There are people who will go looking to fight you simply for the action of rejecting them. Such is the fate of pure roleplayers.

No, that I do not believe in.
And I think I have made it clear that I am not going to avoid the PvP that will come eventually, it is an RPPvP server. It is a natural part of that server.
But, I will not go out of my way to go into PvP focused play.
And that is also being backed by what I have been seeing from the community regarding toxicity from it's members.

But, I do not believe I will never have to reject any part of the community.
Facing a silent powertrader while I am flying trading too? We are on the same route for a while. Well, I'll still try to RP with him, if nothing else to entertain myself. But I won't be disregarding him. Maybe it will get the person to want to try something new?

I won't be just staying a silent powertrader either. I don't really need the credits. I already have a few ships that I want to fly. So, the only think I would want to do will be based on Roleplay. Getting hands on new technologies and equipping my ship with new stuff. But through Roleplay.
So, if I get pirated I'll play along and would try to get the pirates roleplaying too. If nothing else for the encounter NOT be another silent powertrader.

I do not see the community as dour as I think some are right now.
Look in this thread at what some have done to have fun Roleplay.

Nah, it's a good community, just needs some reasons to try a little harder.

Also, thanks for your response and answer, Godslayer, appreciate it!

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