BMF and Staff

[Stewgar]

I don't want to respond directly in the thread as I'm not affiliated with staff or BMF at this time. This is in response to my reading of the rules violation thread: https://discoverygc.com/forums/showthrea...pid2380964

I'm seeing emotions rising on both sides and as we all know when we are calm minded, emotion often gets in the way of logic and reasoning.

BMF: As somebody that was on the other side, from what I saw from chats and the like, staff tend to lean toward leniency. In fact, comments I made about rule breaks were sometimes viewed as too much or going too far. Staff is not out to get you unless it's talked about in private channels - I have seen no evidence that anybody is out to get you. However, you do allow your emotions to rule against better judgement. I am seeing this in the rules violation thread. Remember that this is only a warning - an action taken by the faction is deemed as pushing the line. Perhaps CDI and Zoners action were also pushing the line in the past - was it reported? Do they do this regularly? BMF has a history of pushing the line of roleplay which is a good. Blend the lines, find the grey areas, create niches. That is great storytelling! We are often victims of our own ambitions and at times go too far. This is the staff's way of telling you this.

Staff: BMF has been an active part of this community for many years. They have been feeling disenfranchised for some time - their patience has been admirable from their gripes and complaints that I have been witness to. They do often feel as if they are being targeted and shot at... granted, sometimes it's to themselves to their own foot - but they have had right reasons at times to feel cheated out of their work and dedication to this game. They have reached a breaking point with feeling their work is being wasted which is, in all honesty, a very real reason that some good RPers and players have left the community. Please don't let their emotions prematurely sway your decisions of disbanding this group short of an official disbandment request. Everybody has thrown that threat around at times.

I have never heard Xenon or Dylan Hunt as disgruntled and serious about leaving the community as I have over the past month and it sounds like they are already on the downswing of punching their ticket out of the community. It would be wise if members of staff and key members of BMF meet in Discord and lay it all out. Set an hour or 2 aside, LISTEN to both sides, and find a compromises. If you need a mediator to mute mic's or to help drive this conversation, I can be it.

TLDR: BMF are good players, staff is not out to get them, yall need a beer and a chat

I'm not wanting this thread to turn into a flame war so if a staff member sees this, please lock the thread. This is one of those examples that both sides feel the other is a boogey man and it can't be further from the truth - have a chat.

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[Lord Chaos]

I have to say i do apreciate the coment and i do agree with you in more than one way, either on BMF comment or on Staff,
I would just like to point out that we do not think "someone out to get BMF"
What we do feel and see is a disparity between BMF members treatment and other players treatment in regards to Violation Reports.
Furthermore, this forfeiting of OFDOM was put to a 24 H vote on our Discord last night, the staff with full knoledge of this 24H vote jumped ahead "accepting" our OFDOM forfeiting without me even making the proper request, already saying that we do not need to do nothing cause they do everything on their side,
This way even removing the possibility of other members taking the faction forword.
This is all very clear, its even more clear wen some threads become invisible so the players cant see.

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[Reeves]

I feel like it's relevant to point out that you are all spiralling out of control over a warning thread.

You've not been sanctioned.

You were warned to just be more mindful.

How did you respond?

Vitriol.

You're even still doing it in other threads, making up actual nonsense that the staff are overjoyed to finally invis a bunch of market posts.

If people had no estimations regarding your conduct before, they do now, and I can't imagine it's flattering.

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[Stewgar]

Like stated before, this is not intended to be a flame war. The purpose of this thread is to avoid a rule break by commenting on the rules violation and to state a believed misunderstanding by both parties that can be rectified by having a conversation.

If you have any comments about staff, BMF, or the situation of the rules break, make your own thread or talk to the person directly.

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[Luke.]

I likely have far less to say than others due to my shorter tenure as staff (around 4 and a half months at current), however even I notice patterns of behaviour across a non-negligible period of time.

Responses like this are nothing new. It's happened in the official faction lounge in the main discord, it's happened in other discords when speaking to other staff, it happens in sanction threads. The list goes on.

Any pushback or "no" from us, no matter our argument, is met with this victim mindset that we give others what they want, but not BMF. This simply isn't true. If you notice patterns of behaviour from us toward certain factions or individuals, there is a reason for it. Either a request(s) is beyond the scope of the faction, they don't make sense, or they have done something wrong. You end up in sanction threads more if you are found to have violated the rules more. It's not complicated, or biased. We act on what we're given, or what we see. We act on the spirit of the rules too rather than just the letter, and so the end goal of what the rules are trying to achieve is important too. That is to say, we don't just come down on people for the slightest step over the line when it comes to RP and such. We want people to have that freedom, after all. If we say no, there's a reason for it.

We'll allow those concerned to have their say toward us as we always do (like in the staff feedback thread), but you can't be surprised if we have something to say about it. We are no less deserving of criticism than someone else and we certainly aren't perfect, but we do our best with the resources and personnel we have. Sometimes that's less, sometimes that's more. However it doesn't change outcomes such as a faction being warned (again) for rule-violating behaviour. I don't know how to put it in any simpler words.

There aren't any emotions running high here, only simple adherence to a factions wishes. Complaining that we're "too fast" is a strange one when we are only adhering to requests of this nature since there's no reason to decline it. As a recent example, Starfliers recently stepped down voluntarily from officialdom, and it was processed quickly. Kai's post in the sanction thread was a little quick on the draw, I do agree but he can speak for himself and it's hardly changing any outcomes or pushing people in a particular direction.

As a team, we harbour no hard feelings or wish to make any individual feel less welcome than another. It's simply a case of some putting themselves in the spotlight more often, and we are allowed to be fatigued by having the same melodramatic accusations thrown at us every time rather than a simple "my bad" or "i'm sorry" or "we'll do better". If you do genuinely believe we're wrong, then show us. This goes for anyone, obviously.

As mentioned though, no tangible sanction was actually given on this most recent occasion. It was a warning. Nothing more. BMF has been warned before and yet even still, we chose to warn you once more instead of anything more severe. Clearly we overall didn't weigh this particular breach heavily either. Hell, BMF even took it very well that time! Makes you wonder, eh?

If you're that unhappy, leave actual feedback in the relevant thread with evidence and we can look closer and see if we notice anything going amiss with how we handle discussion with you (BMF, Dylan etc.). Otherwise, please stop with this needless constant offence as it's not helping you, us or anyone else that has to read it.

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[Reeves]

Like stated before, this is not intended to be a flame war. The purpose of this thread is to avoid a rule break by commenting on the rules violation and to state a believed misunderstanding by both parties that can be rectified by having a conversation.

If you have any comments about staff, BMF, or the situation of the rules break, make your own thread or talk to the person directly.

All this thread really serves to do is grand stand while the one sided flaming happens in other threads. It might have been more effective for you to have done as you suggest and spoken to these people directly. Because if this is simply a misunderstanding then the obtuse visibility of a thread isn't required.

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[Lord Chaos]

This event was just the last drop for me, thus the vote i started on our Discord.
The fact remains that the Admin Team jumped ahead of any decision taken by the faction, deciding to "accept" a request that was never made.
At the end of the day, in ny personal opinion, OFDOM is not worth it, really a source of problems, all for a ID and a Core 5 that took us like 10 years to get.

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[JorgeRyan]

Thread locked at owners request

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