Interactive Nav-Map Misinformation (Question to the Discovery devs/administration)

[Mort]

Hello. Since our dear administration deleted my post in this thread, I've started a new one regarding NBK's sanction.

Dear Sirs, I have a question for the devs and admins who voted to punish NBK. How often do you play in Gallia? I'm asking because the Interactive Nav-Map shows Provence as part of the Gallia House Space (blue colour). It's a Gallic system with a Gallic name that used to be a core system(controlled space) of Gallia for over a decade. Also, you legit cannot know how to check the system's status, apart from typing "/helpmenu regions" in the actual game. Moreover, even the good old Disco wikipedia shows that Provence belongs to Gallia. So maybe, before punishing players, you should set Provence and Dublin colours to white(like other IW systems around Liberty, for instance) on your official Nav-Map, so the players stop getting confused by it?






https://fifthbarrier.github.io/Navmap/
https://discoverygc.com/wiki/Confederacy_of_Gallia

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[Kauket]

he's been here long enough to know that law enforcement guidelines correlate to the Server Rules definition listings tho

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[EisenSeele]

Hello. I have a question for the devs and admins who voted to punish NBK. How often do you play in Gallia? I'm asking because the Interactive Nav-Map shows Provence as part of the Gallia House Space (blue colour). It's a Gallic system with a Gallic name that used to be a core system(controlled space) of Gallia for over a decade. Also, you legit cannot know how to check the system's status, apart from typing "/helpmenu regions" in the actual game. Moreover, even the good old Disco wikipedia shows that Provence belongs to Gallia. So maybe, before punishing players, you should set Provence and Dublin colours to white(like other IW systems around Liberty, for instance) on your official Nav-Map, so the players stop getting confused by it?






https://fifthbarrier.github.io/Navmap/
https://discoverygc.com/wiki/Confederacy_of_Gallia

I moved your post here as it wasn't the place - sanction threads are for the specific sanctioned players and OF leadership representing them

As discussed with you via discord

https://discoverygc.com/forums/showthrea...8#pid43788
Gallia is defined as: Ile-de-France*, Burgundy, Champagne, Languedoc, Orleanais, Picardy.

The ID used had the following law enforcement lines:
Within Zone of Influence (Gallia and bordering systems):
- Can attack ships considered hostile by Gallia.
- Can enforce laws within Gallia and Zurich.

The ship that was attacked was part of the Order, which is not considered hostile by Gallia - chatlogs show that the pretense for the attack was law enforcement, due to an illegal piece of equipment mounted (a cloak) which does not apply outside of Gallia + Zurich.

The Discovery navmap is there for convenience and labels systems by region, not by 'rules' or 'roleplay' - for instance, Dublin and Chugoku are also labeled in their regional house colors despite not being within core house space. Kusari police ID's do not cover Chugoku, and Bretonian law enforcement lines say Bretonia AND Dublin. There definitely is a good argument to add the caveat that the regional colors on the navmap are regional and not house core space for ID lines, but it is also the responsiblity of the player to understand their ID and the relevant rules. In the particular case we're talking about, The sanctioned player was told that Provence was not house space, but he ignored that and attacked anyway.

TLDNR: The server rules page supercedes all other resources, the wiki is long since deprecated, and the navmap is showing house regions and not definitions of actual house space

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[jammi]

House Space is defined by the server rules, not 3rd party tools.

I've just taken a look through the edits in the rules thread back to at least 2020, and Provence wasn't a Gallic core system then. I don't think it ever has been, all the way back to .86

It was "house controlled space" which gave it the same status as Tau 23 as a gallic border world, and the lore has also always treated it as a semi autonomous border world too.

The online nav map should obviously be accurate where possible, but Barrier has since left so I don't know if it even can be updated at this point.

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[Slimy]

Posting it here since I dont know where else , i had updated the Navmap to align to the server rules:
Slimys' navmap version


and there is my fork of barriers repo:
GitHub

Maybe it wouldn't be the worst idea to update it, to avoid this inconvience in future?

[EisenSeele]

With Barrier's unfortunate departure, we do need a replacement map 8|

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[Stewgar]

It is worth noting that Gallia is the only house in the House Roleplay Laws that does not specify their home or core systems. This should also be addressed.

Any discussion about NBK's specific rule violation should be referred to here: https://discoverygc.com/forums/showthrea...pid2383155

As a reminder, the Sanctions & Warning thread is to be used only by the player receiving the sanction and by factions associated with that player requesting evidence.

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[Lord Caedus]

It is worth noting that Gallia is the only house in the House Roleplay Laws that does not specify their home or core systems. This should also be addressed.

That's because Gal Law assumes people to be capable of reading the server rules in this specific situation.

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[ROCK CORPORATION]

It is worth noting that Gallia is the only house in the House Roleplay Laws that does not specify their home or core systems. This should also be addressed.

That's because Gal Law assumes people to be capable of reading the server rules in this specific situation.

already based on this principle, the slogan of innocence applies. He could also calculate the system of Governing the territory of the house. If we talk about the server rules, we should have reviewed them a long time ago. I also wrote earlier that there should be no "vague" rules that can be interpreted and customized to a specific situation. And, please note that the reports go specifically from representatives of one group to certain individuals, purposefully. You don't find this strange.

[jammi]

already based on this principle, the slogan of innocence applies. He could also calculate the system of Governing the territory of the house. If we talk about the server rules, we should have reviewed them a long time ago. I also wrote earlier that there should be no "vague" rules that can be interpreted and customized to a specific situation. And, please note that the reports go specifically from representatives of one group to certain individuals, purposefully. You don't find this strange.

I don't know what you're trying to say. Rules around a House's core systems aren't vague or open to interpretation. It's a very short list that's very specific.

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