[Poll] Discord Player Tracking

[darkwind]

Hello.

https://darklab8.github.io/fl-darkbot/
https://discoverygc.com/forums/showthrea...tid=188040

I see popularity of Discord Bot darkbot being in use, usage across 62 active servers in 142 discord channels
with average 1.85 channels per server
And out of those channels, 74 discord channels tend to use player tracking features that grants next capabilities



Question is are you satisfied with this feature, should it remain working, or should it be disabled, or should it be changed in any other way?
Poll is created to gather opinions

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[darkwind]

Clarification: Poll/thread is only for feedback about player tracking feature of darkbot to remain or being disabled. Any other feature of discord bot will remain not changed and out of scope of this thread discussion. Other features will continue to work regardless of the fate of player tracking feature.

In my humble opinion: it is a great way to find an interaction. So even if highlights, like hostile players, exists, persons still need to log - which increases server activity.

My personal opinion is that discord player tracking bots have been incredibly damaging for the culture and mentality of the community.

gathered data about each type of darkbot feature option usage:

SELECT DISTINCT(channel_id) FROM (
SELECT DISTINCT(channel_id) FROM tag_player_friends
UNION
SELECT DISTINCT(channel_id) FROM tag_player_enemies
)
71

SELECT DISTINCT(channel_id) FROM (
SELECT DISTINCT(channel_id) FROM tag_systems
UNION
SELECT DISTINCT(channel_id) FROM tag_regions
)
75

SELECT DISTINCT(channel_id) FROM (
SELECT DISTINCT(channel_id) FROM tag_systems
UNION
SELECT DISTINCT(channel_id) FROM tag_regions
UNION
SELECT DISTINCT(channel_id) FROM tag_player_friends
UNION
SELECT DISTINCT(channel_id) FROM tag_player_enemies
)
92

SELECT DISTINCT(channel_id) FROM (
SELECT DISTINCT(channel_id) FROM tag_forum_post_tracks
UNION
SELECT DISTINCT(channel_id) FROM tag_forum_subforum_tracks
)
30

SELECT DISTINCT(channel_id) FROM (
SELECT DISTINCT(channel_id) FROM tag_bases
)
90

SELECT DISTINCT(channel_id) FROM (
SELECT DISTINCT(channel_id) FROM tag_player_events
)
5

SELECT DISTINCT(channel_id) FROM (
SELECT DISTINCT(channel_id) FROM alert_base_health_lower_thans
UNION
SELECT DISTINCT(channel_id) FROM alert_base_if_health_decreasings
UNION
SELECT DISTINCT(channel_id) FROM alert_base_if_under_attacks
UNION
SELECT DISTINCT(channel_id) FROM alert_bases
)
30

SELECT DISTINCT(channel_id) FROM (
SELECT DISTINCT(channel_id) FROM alert_enemies_equal_or_greaters
UNION
SELECT DISTINCT(channel_id) FROM alert_friends_equal_or_greaters
UNION
SELECT DISTINCT(channel_id) FROM alert_neutral_players_equal_or_greaters
UNION
SELECT DISTINCT(channel_id) FROM alert_player_enemies
UNION
SELECT DISTINCT(channel_id) FROM alert_player_friends
UNION
SELECT DISTINCT(channel_id) FROM alert_player_unrecognizeds
)
27

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[darkwind]

Fixed poll has added option to leave player view, but removing ability setting alerts regarding player tracking
After checking statistics regarding each darkbot option usage u can see above, i realized it is a possible path
in this way player view could remain for more cosmetics usage

Also fixed grammar for the miss written option

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Dark Tools	DarkBot	DarkLint	DarkStat	DarkMap

[jammi]

As I said in the previous thread, player tracking discord bots have done incredible amounts of damage to the community. Ideally they wouldn't exist at all.

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[JorgeRyan]

As I said in the previous thread, player tracking discord bots have done incredible amounts of damage to the community. Ideally they wouldn't exist at all.

+1

Log in and play the game yourself, dont let bots do it for you.

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Feedback and comm bumping here

[Jazzi]

Jokes aside imo , whilst technically impressive, tools like this encourages a passive-reactive approach to gameplay that discourages logging on a players own terms, removes the need for proactive discovery of interaction opportunities, and optimises the wonder and uncertainty out of the game. More nebulously, it removes that liminal space where rp thrives by presenting an implicit tangible goal and a means to determine if it's effective to log based on meeting it. I'd like it if we turned the Temu-Palantir tools off.

[Lea Kaufman]

Honestly, it is a great tool. It is similar as the player list of the forum, but more performant.

If some disagree that people most log to discover things on their own, fair enough, but what if you have no time to ping for emergencies? And better, remove the player list on forum as well at this point if the one on discord gets deleted or cease to function.

That's my two cents.

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[JadeTornado]

SInce "Players Online" exists on forums and you can log any char and check player list in-game, the bots adds comfort in doing that and nothing else. If this bot will be taken down, someone will make another.

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In a live role playing environment, you are not owed or mandated to be given a duel. Fights develop differently every time and people have varying degree of time to log on their hands or have their own plans.

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[Kauket]

I like the bots for convenience. If people can log in and see who's where, what's the harm in keeping it. You can already look anyway. It changes nothing but to add some inconvenience for activity alert.

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[Loophole]

This wasn't explicitly mentioned, but I'd hazard a guess that this is on a lot of people's minds: the bot must die because people use it to abuse players. In my opinion, if the bot should die due to abuse then the web player list also needs to die, as the abusers will leverage the web player list by themselves. It's not the hardest thing in the world and dark isn't the only SWE in town. On an even more cynical perspective, all of this would only remove some tools that abusers use; in fact, the more dedicated ones could adapt using Freelancer.exe. It'd be a lot less convenient, no doubt, but I wouldn't underestimate such dedication.

Sure, kill it. Just make sure to shoot the web player list for good measure. It might help, but I wouldn't expect a miracle.

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