[Poll] Discord Player Tracking

[Kalhmera]

As I said in the previous thread, player tracking discord bots have done incredible amounts of damage to the community. Ideally they wouldn't exist at all.

+1

Log in and play the game yourself, dont let bots do it for you.

If we are going as far as to remove Discord bots then Discovery should take the first step and remove the players online tab that shows who is playing where. if that is not going away then discord bots should stand.

I like the bots for convenience. If people can log in and see who's where, what's the harm in keeping it. You can already look anyway. It changes nothing but to add some inconvenience for activity alert.

I agree with this statement.


Its not a bot problem its a culture problem, fix the culture and people wont have issues.

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[Eternal.Journey]

Out of all the time this bot has existed, as well as existing in a server that I can see it in, I have used it exactly 0 times to find out what I can already do ingame. It is no less an inconvenience to me whether it exists or not, but I know that a few people have used this to grief others.

Take it down, or remove alerts. People shouldnt be pinged by a bot to log into the videogame, they should be doing it whenever they can or are able to if they wanna find people. I agree with nuking the online player count in the forums too, even though I know you probably dont have this ability. Make it simply a playercount, rather than a "heres everyone on the server right now and where."

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[Shulsky]

I would enjoy it if the players online section said, say, how many players are in this system or that system. As unlikely as it may be, if that could be altered in game as well, that would be potentially useful.

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[Cherry Blossom]

The most harm with it is done to new players that join discovery and then join a faction. They look at the player list on the forum and everything is new for them. They don't know any of these tags. However, if they are on a discord with the bot, it will tell them who is hostile to their faction which makes them either log and try to engage them, or make them avoid them.

With the forum list and in game list you at least need to know the tags and names. The bot does all this thinking for you and honestly? It promotes logging just for the sake of pvp, not RP. In addition, to use the forum list you at least need to engage with disco. The bot completely disconnects you from it in a way. To use the list on the forum, you have to log in. You can check it but maybe you see something you might enjoy reading in the process which already made you more engaged with the game than the bot.

[Leo]

Remove it. And remove the "Players Online" API on the forums as well.

I'd go even a step further and say change the in-game player list to list the region a player is in rather than the specific system, but that subject has been beaten like a dead Horse and no one wants to do that for some reason so, I'll get off my soap box.

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[Redline.Inc]

This is a tool that people are going to use to play the game how they wish.
Griefers will use it to find players to Grief, Rp'ers will use it to find people to RP with
and PvP'ers will use it to find PvP opportunities.
RP'ers and PvP'ers are fine with playing the game to find interactions.
Griefers love specific info.

IMO the downside of bad actors using specific location info outweighs any need for
the little use that most regular players make of it. Neither the discord tools nor forum
lists need to note the ooRP info of which system a player is in specifically.

[Emet-Selch]

Shadowlogging is not okay. We all know that.

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[LuckyOne]

As long as the player list exists on the website people will always make their own tools to monitor it.

So it's pointless to disable any feature already existing. And we can't really know if the tool promotes more shadowlogging or serves as a useful coordination tool for "organic" group logging.

I do have one idea, maybe you could make the alerts work only while the user (or group) registering for them is also online with a character/tag and so make it more fair to the ones being monitored.

[Exploration]

To be honest I think the players online thing needs to go anyway.

It seems to have become a bit of a (bad) habit to sit there and watch that for someone appearing in game. There have been a few cases in recent memory where I've been on a particular ship and no less than five minutes after logging in I've found myself being forced into a PvP encounter because the opposing players know exactly where I am. The whole raidlog mentality needs to end in my opinion, it is actually boring. This is coming from a player who actually runs joining messages off so its a bit more of a surprise at least. Though as a result the above grows tedious after the second or third occasion. I suppose the tldr is, I'd rather have more random encounters whether it is PvP or not than a raidlog due to a bot pinging that my tag has appeared somewhere.

If you absolutely must show players in game (or player count), it should not show which system they are in. Region only at the very most, as was suggested by someone else in this thread. Though preferably no location at all. In game it should show region only in my opinion so now you've got to actually log in to see a region where you can look for an encounter. You might stumble across someone else entirely as a result, that kind of random interaction is something that is missing these days. I don't think player tracking is going to improve things at all. Just my two cents I suppose.

[Tenshi]

Player tracking discord bots as well as the forum online list need to go. In my humblest opinion even the ingame online list needs changes. People need to stop looking at the playerlists and that's the only way to do it.

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