' Wrote:There are some who argue that even role playing in this game is rediculus, also realisticly in a science fiction setting a little too much is realistic in terms of sanity and .. well what some would consider "proper" role play.
The server has obviously encountered this problem from being one of the few servers up with a population above 50 on adverage and because of that population your going to have a draw. Not for rp.. but for simple popularity so I would think the few dedicated to filling that meager chat bar with your role playing abilities you would see that potential for... well.. delluding of perpose of the mod and the server.
THis is a role play server. If there are folks here with no intention of roleplaying then they are out of place.
This server was put together specifically for roleplay. So we either get the those who are not RPing on board as nicely and patiently as we can or show them the door as nicely as possible too. The reason folks stay here for years is not because Freelancer is such a awesome game, but because the Rp here is so sacred and protected by the many of us who care. Those who dont, dont last long.
' Wrote:Asking for 25 million is just looking for PVP.
You need a terrorist ID for that.
Until it's officially against the rules for pirates to do, then no, you apparently don't need a terrorist ID.
According to the rules (which is the point and purpose of this topic), a pirate can demand whatever he wants, regardless of how absurd it may be. Those are the rules, and until rules are changed to reflect the fact that doing this is apparently "wrong", then no one should be punished for it. It's not like this sort of thing happens often enough to be an actual problem, but it is a useful "loophole" when it comes to dealing with childish players who'll never accept losing regardless of the situation.
May I suggest the creation of a paralel server, not dicimilar from the PVP server of old?
Give everyone that registers on that server 2 billion credits, and let them go and buy their bounty hunter battleships. Let's give them a play-pen where they can test out all the features of Discovery with minimal rules and no RP entanglements.
Let them get it out of their systems, so that when they come onto the RP server they are no-longer motivated by getting an opportunity to fly a battleship, and instead focus on the RP.
This would keep the trade routes free of individuals who have no intention to RP and are just saving up for their battlecruisers, making money at all costs at the expense of RP
It would require a second machine, otherwise both servers would work very badly.
Don't think we need this. They have Open SP.
Lucendez Wrote:
It is every Corsair's responsibility to die a beautiful death in defense of Crete, regardless of how OORP or how capwhoring the opposition is. Launch your fighter, joust the battlecruisers and die a beautiful death. Then, drink it down in the bar.
' Wrote:Sorry asking for 1 credit is not good Rp either. That is not believeable or plausible for someone who has to maintain vices and crew.
Indeed - you're right,
but, what I actually wanted to show with this is - that I'm interested in RP not PVP or making cash
that way.
Of course if I play a pirate, which rarely happens, I demand a fair ammount of cash, but if I meet
someone willing to rp well - then (in particular when it's a low level char) I still just demand 1 credit
as a kind of reward for good rp.
To me fairplay and having fun (and of course also to let other have)
is worth a lot more then any cash of Sirius.
Quote:Well yes it's annoying.. but he's wasting his own time as well... best to scan his cargo.. and block the exits that lead the way he wanted to go... off course he can divert around... and lose more money than by paying...
I've never been asked for 1 mil or less, and only once, going rate seems to be 2 mil. Kudos to the pirates here, I've been NOT taxed becasue it wasnt worth their time (well over the level 30 pvp limit).
I cant think of a route that I would loose 2 mil on, sorry. Of course, I would never fly away from the map with the intent of going afk either.
so essentally something like say the harvesters have to completly rethink roleplay cant go terrorist cuza you cant allie with anybodyu there unlawful because as lawfuls they were flamed to death and now piratesneed to make a monataery request befotre they can stop the trader..its bad enough people allready activly run and huint the harvys this is just makeing it more diffacult to play em
but, what I actually wanted to show with this is - that I'm interested in RP not PVP or making cash
that way.
Of course if I play a pirate, which rarely happens, I demand a fair ammount of cash, but if I meet
someone willing to rp well - then (in particular when it's a low level char) I still just demand 1 credit
as a kind of reward for good rp.
To me fairplay and having fun (and of course also to let other have)
is worth a lot more then any cash of Sirius.
What you are forgetting is that some faction's RP are not as simple as pirating for money. Some factions have more than enough money, but they pirate for other means. To those factions, it is VERY OoRP to demand low amounts of cash to certain people (And I don't just mean Synth Foods). At some points, it makes far more sense to have people drop their entire cargo or pay an immense amount of money for the pirate to pretend they aren't there.
You're right, fairplay is far more important than imaginary money. I can always make more imaginary money, but playing the character the way it should be played is only fair to the other party involved.
[8:32:45 PM] Dusty Lens: Oh no, let me get that. Hello? Oh it's my grandma. She says to be roleplay.
[12:49:19 AM] Elgatodiablo: You know its nice that you have all that proof and all, Bacon... but I just don't believe you.
Quote:that I'm interested in RP not PVP or making cash that way.
Because traders arn't there to make money at all, their just trading for the RP
I know I'm new and I don't full understand this server yet so my opinion doesn't count for much but thesare my thoughts on piracy.
What if a pirate or a clan of pirates wants to hold a corperation to ransom by KOSing (with RP chat of coarse) all of the corperations traders until "protection money" is payed. Is this against the rules?
If a Pirate asks for tax and but the trader escape because of skill/luck/npcs, can the pirate then assume that on the traders next runs that he has already been asked for tax and refused it, there by making him KOS until tax is paid.
If a trader is stuipid enough to say "I would rathier die than pay/halt" wouldn't it be good RP for a pirate to make an example of him. Then all the other traders see "some trader was gunned down but some pirate" and go "wow this guys serious, I'd better do what he says"
Locking a thread won't make people's opinions go away.
I have not ringed a single trader since this rule talk has come up and I have tried to play by the admin edicts.
The only traders that I have stopped are the ones that stop themselves. You cannot pirate some one by a Jumphole with this in effect. The New Berlin JH in Sigma is now a easy passage as it cannot be disrupted and the most powerful stopper of all has been removed.
The fear of destruction. With out this its just like how traders dont RP fear of criusers. There is no threat.
I ask can a pirate not make two request?
1) Halt. (A request if not followed that equals death) Halt is a demand. It is a demand of an action. It is thus because of being a demand legal to blast a trader for not stopping. I'm sorry to come down to diceing them letter of the rules but thats what this post is about. If the rules say you cannot kill a trader with out makeing a demand then, I say that is my demand. Will I get sanctioned for it?
Then I noticed since we are playing by the rules now and with absolutely no consern for the spirit in which they were written. I must say, there is nothing there limiting the number of demands that can be made per encounter.
So, my second demand is as follows.
2) This unit requires 2 million resource credits ( another separate request that equals death if not abided)
Now if the letter has become more important than the spirit I think we should review the PVP rules in reguards to traders.
Are they exempt from PVP? I looked at them and it looks like criusers and battle ships are banned from engageing them in PVP but not gunboat and below. Is there anything that says traders are not held to the PVP conventions?
If not then why are they allowed to bypass the 4 hour rule? That is not in the letter of the rule. Yet we agree on it.
No where is it in the letter of the rule that Battle criusers cannot engage trade ships. It only says criusers and battleships, yet we agree that battle criusers cannot either. Why common sense and a respect for the spirit of the rule.
My point is we have been doing piracy the same for awhile and it seems only now that it is getting a major nasty underhual. I say underhual as this is not a improvement at all.
If we are goping to go dead nuts, conventional morality thinking on these rules then piracy is dead in the water except for the most compliant traders and pure luck. Forget wilderness JH piracy.
Also if we are going to hold up the rules and say "This is what ot says, then a great many other things we agree on as a community will change too."
There is NO exemption written for traders in PVP rules!!!!! As one example.:rtfm:
There fore I'd like to here what the admin say. Is this going to stand or are we going to over hual the way all rules are handled?
Or is it only this rule getting messed up and why? This community and many who have been hear for awhile deserve alittle responce since this is unceremoneouly changeing manys Rp and cause some to drop out. Look at the flood. This chat is mentioned. Pirates are quiting. Is that what you want?
Why fix the Niobium/ diamond run if the traders have nothing to fear anyway? SO, it looks like this thread was posted but is there a reason it came up all of a sudden and by an admin no less?
Were you robbed? Is believeable RP sanctionable now? Lets drop the conventional morality of reading the letter of the rule and develope on to post conventional morality. People who are able to define right and wrong with out it being written down and further more being able to decide on each case based on a morale compass and not a manuel as the governeing factor.
If you dont know there are three stages of morality.
Pre conventional = only wrong if I get caught. Everyone starts here, most grow out of it by age 9 or 10. If they dont the smart ones become millionaries and the dumb ones become prisoners.
Conventional = I know its wrong the rules say so. This is where about 60% of the world gets stuck, but they make good workers and followers. These people require functions and instatutioons to tell them what is right and wrong. In essence if its legal its not wrong. These people become the middle class worker bees.
Post conventional = Think Galileo. Knowing whats right and wrong independently of the writen law or social moraes. Galileo was right but broke the law being right. As did Martin Luther King and, Malcom X in the end before being shot. These folk while right are persecuted or killed.
Since this is a gameing community can we dare to be post conventional here? Can we use common sense, or is this to protect an injured ego? I just think this thread smacks of an alternate agenda as it came out of no where and the established community has enjoyed these rules unfettered by Admin since the inception.
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