Setting up OO.

[Zygoeths]

Need to read a bit more like i said, we have broken away from the order, to make a new, better order colony.

[ferongr]

Well... Read what I said again. The organisation's stability is based in unity. The Order, low in numbers as it is, would be threatened by internal conflicts in its entirety. So, I believe that any negative voices would be suppresed as soon as they were heard, instead of being let to create a momentum in the organization that threatens it.

Anyway, contact Stewcool and ask his opinion before doing anything like that. He is the most active Order player, both in forum RP and game presence. Also, try contacting the Black Squadron faction leader.

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[Tenacity]

no, you need to listen - you dont break away from the order. We have the best technology around, anyone even THINKING about trying to take that tech and go AWOL is going to be hunted down and assassinated by order operatives.

Find another faction, the order does not fit you.

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[Zygoeths]

We'll see how it rolls out, talking to stew currently, he accepts the idea mostly.

[Turkish]

While I don't agree with the OO proposal, all of you are essentially power-playing the Order. Especially you Stew, I could attempt to start an Order faction if I wanted to. I don't need Bs|' permission to do it, they don't hold dominion over the NPC faction, they simply have dominion over Minor and 100 in-game.

Allow me to site Tenabras as an example, Stew deviated from the set guidelines for the Order with his attempts to reconcile the animosity between Liberty and the Order, with complete support from Bs|. That's a direct deviation from how Discovery portrays the Order.

But what you are all saying is that anyone wishing to play as a member of the Order has to play by your rules, exactly how you say, and do exactly what you tell them. You're stifling creativity and asserting yourselves as a power base that in actuality you aren't.

He can do this all he wants, the worst that will happen is that they go to war with Bs| because of clashing ideals.

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I have a fetish for all things Norse.

[Zygoeths]

Exactly what he said.

[Blink]

(.)(.)

[Zygoeths]

blink why did u just post that here....

[Magoo!]

Righto... Well, my first issue reading this is with Ferongr.

You argue that the Order is tight-knit and wouldn't allow for any insubordination? Well, how many *gasp* underground movements do you see shout, "Hey! We don't like you... So... So... We'll take ur shipz and pwn u k?". In theory the movement gained strength secretly and then came out as the "Old Order". Nobody is going to talk in a pub about which place to bomb or who to kill in their sleep.

"So uh... You got the fertilizer yet?"
"Yeah."
"Cool... Steve, what about you? Got the gasoline?"
"Yep."
"Sweet. I've got the lighter, lets head out to the target zone after a few rounds, alright?"
"Sounds good."
"What's your poison?!"

And indeed. The Order does have the highest tech on the market for the most part. And yes, theoretically most of the Order population are pilots. So theoretically the rebels would have a slice of the pie, no? Perhaps the rebels at the dinner table sat through the other two courses then shot the attendants and took the majority of the pie for themselves? I don't think I need to elaborate any further on how many rebellions start out by announcing themselves to the people they seek to undermine.

Other than that?

This isn't really quite necessary overall. The Bs| are all but inactive and every time I'm in Minor I get an "Ohai, lolwut?" Corsair gunboat or cruiser saying, "We allyz? I halp u gudd nao k? lolz mah coptor." So you wouldn't really have a New Order to fight. The Old Order would be just as concerned about Nomads and Hunters as the New Order was, only the New Order didn't wanna dedicate resources to blasting Liberty to jassy and back. So... I'm not sure why a group of people would start killing their old comrades over a cease fire, but I'm sure that you're right in that more than a few would be upset over it.

All in all, it's feasible but not likely.

[sovereign]

Might also point out that from the developer Liberty Backstory, the Order started out as something designed to protect Liberty's interests. Casper Orillion redirected it to stopping the Nomads, but in doing so they had to step on a lot of Libertonian toes- before people realized that the Order was actually trying to save them all. Infested Liberty blacklisted the Order to keep them from interfering, and non-infested Liberty blacklisted the Order because the Order was blowing up Liberty ships and no one knew why. At the end of the war, Navy high command tried to cover up just how badly the Nomads had gotten to them (this is Liberty, remember, PR is everything) and downplayed how many had been infested. In the process, it made it look like the Order had been blowing stuff up without good cause, and nobody really bothered to un-blacklist the Order, who were rightly p/o'd about being Class 0 terrorists after saving Sirius. Hostilities ensued, and that's where Discovery was until about a month ago, when Stewcool started his Tenebras RP on getting Liberty to trust the Order again. So, Old Order and New Order describe friendly to Liberty, the hostile part is the more xenophobic groups who went through the Nomad War and then got shot by Liberty and don't think they deserve forgiveness. Intermediate Order perhaps?

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