Bs| to Order indies

[pchwang]

I'm glad you've found the difference between Discovery and certain other RPGs, such as WoW and RuneScape, Camtheman. For that, you truly are the man.

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[7:42:05 PM][6:51:36 PM] Igor (Smokey): btw terry
[6:51:48 PM] Terrance Cooper: Ye?
[6:52:00 PM] Igor (Smokey): nothin
[6:52:03 PM] Igor (Smokey): just sayin btw
[6:52:05 PM] Terrance Cooper: <_<

Johnny_Haas: you shot anti criuse speed rockets!!!
Johnny_Haas: but why????
Johnny_Haas: ??
Johnny_Haas: why you shoot criuse speed rockets?

[AdamantineFist]

doesnt change the fact that this "new faction" will still need black squadron's permission to purchase cruiser/battlecruiser/battleship vessels in 4.85, and with the reasoning for creating such a faction, that permission will never be granted.

No. They do not need permission. Entry is given to all Order ID'd players.

*cough*
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Tenacity, he's telling the truth, I'm afraid. Any Order IDed player has a right to enter and use the guard system. It was said so by an admin. Kurain, I believe, though I'm not certain whether it was him, or another admin. :unsure:

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[Camtheman Of Freelancer4Ever]

For one thing i hate wow. If you question my battlestars RP in game, expect to get no answer.
Read the bio.
//End Topic.

[n00bl3t]

I really don't think you get the point...

It's not about the story, it's about the effort. Believe it or not, this is an RP server. If you don't have an RP for your character, it really shouldn't exist. I remember Tenacity had one of the best RPs for his firefly I've seen in a long time, when he drafted up the deckplans of the ship.

Something like that is perfectly fine.

I think, however, that you would agree that the server would be a better place if the number of people sitting around in Osirises going, " : ), lol, pwnz0rs," decreased.

It doesn't have to be a story. I think that the Bs| just wants some certification saying that you have RP for the ship.

So, in that same sense, nooblet, it has nothing to do with stories. It's simply proof that you have RP for a ship on a server that requires you to RP.

I do. People can have the RP in their head and act appropriately on the server. They should not have to post up anything.

If someone is continuously "lulz"ing in system chat and carrying out OoRP actions then sanction them. Again, take a SS, host the picture and post a thread in the sanction reports.

Bs| just said they are ruling with an iron fist, somehow that does not strike me as them wanting a compromise.

@ Cam: Same idea on WoW.

@ King: Not yet.

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Anything I say is not intended as offensive, and to try and deliberately misinterpret it as such would be an attempt at trolling via misrepresentation.

It's not a conspiracy, it's localised bias. They're not intelligent enough to form a conspiracy.

[pchwang]

Actually Camtheman, I have read your Battlestar RP.

And to be perfectly honest, I think it's fantastic. If you could throw in a few screenshots, they'd be the cherry on top.

Please do expand it, and I do look forward to meeting you ingame.

For those of you who do not know what Cam or I are talking about, here is the link: http://discoverygc.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=24870

A perfectly good example of a very nice RP for a ship.

I do. People can have the RP in their head and act appropriately on the server. They should not have to post up anything.

Have you seen the Special Characters Request forum? Do you know what the point of it is besides for players to get approval from the admin to use these characters?

So that there is a database for the characters when admins/other players go referencing. I don't know about you, but I personally like reading through the stories here. I think that stories, like the one Cam wrote, add a lot to the RP of their characters. I don't see why it's so difficult to go around and refuse to write something like this.

Writing stories and backgrounds for your characters serve the same purpose.

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[7:42:05 PM][6:51:36 PM] Igor (Smokey): btw terry
[6:51:48 PM] Terrance Cooper: Ye?
[6:52:00 PM] Igor (Smokey): nothin
[6:52:03 PM] Igor (Smokey): just sayin btw
[6:52:05 PM] Terrance Cooper: <_<

Johnny_Haas: you shot anti criuse speed rockets!!!
Johnny_Haas: but why????
Johnny_Haas: ??
Johnny_Haas: why you shoot criuse speed rockets?

[Camtheman Of Freelancer4Ever]

I will add more, as soon as i think of more things. Thank you, by the way, I post less RP's, faction recruitments and other stuff here because of people scrutinizing it and tearing it apart.
I hope this capital ship thing works out...

[Tenacity]

No. They do not need permission. Entry is given to all Order ID'd players.

No, it isnt. The owning faction is permitted to allow or deny entry to the system to ANYONE. Independents didnt pay 500 million credits for omicron 100, black squadron did. Been that way for a long time now, with all guard systems.

It doesn't have to be a story. I think that the Bs| just wants some certification saying that you have RP for the ship.

That's most of it, but they (and I) also want to ensure that the player applying isnt going to run rampant, going directly against whatever direction that black squadron is trying to take the order, within reason.

No order ship should ever be going into new york to start a fight, period. That isnt how the order behaves, and goes directly against what it stands for - and i'm not talking about something established by black squadron or any other players here, I'm talking about what the order was created for before this mod even came along. Igiss has made it fairly clear that he wants things to remain close to what was originally intended by the freelancer developers, that's what we're enforcing.

this is slowly turning into a faction players vs. non-factionized players ... again

sadly

Yep, that's how it always ends up. Everyone who's been here and active on the forums for 4-6 months knows how anti-faction I used to be, but I was wrong back then. I've seen how bad some players can be, and how needed restrictions enforced by faction leaders are to keep things running smoothly here. However much I hate to see it that way, that's how it is.

As more players come to the server, and as more players like akumabito and nooblet actively try to throw the faction/indy balance into chaos with posts meant to do nothing other than incite hatred between the two, this server goes downhill. We have twice as many OORP players, in ALL ship types, as we did when I first started playing here 6~ months ago. It's getting out of hand, and the admins cant be on 24/7 to babysit the people who dont know better - I honestly think the situation here would improve if someone other than the admins (Meaning: Faction leaders) had the ability to determine who is and isnt fit for either the affiliation or the ship they're trying to get.

Tenacity, he's telling the truth, I'm afraid. Any Order IDed player has a right to enter and use the guard system. It was said so by an admin. Kurain, I believe, though I'm not certain whether it was him, or another admin. unsure.gif

And we've already discussed this, kuraine is a new admin and I (among others) believe he was mistaken in his statement. Factions pay the money for their guard systems, and ever since I started playing on this server, faction-owned guard systems have been regulated -entirely- by the members/leaders of those official factions. They can deny -anyone- the right to enter the system, regardless of level, ID carried, tag used, ship type, etc. They dont even need a real reason to deny access to the system.

Really, until the indies start pitching in money to pay for the system, they've got no choice but to respect the group that owns the system and -did- pay for it.

Bs| just said they are ruling with an iron fist, somehow that does not strike me as them wanting a compromise.

And they shouldnt need to compromise. Every time those OORP fleets of indy osiris battleships go tear new york apart, who do you think gets blamed? Black squadron. "Keep your indies in line!" everyone says, while Bs currently takes no authority for the actions of those people who are oorp.

Now, we're tired of it. Black squadron, as the official order faction, is tired of it. I'm tired of it. Several other independent order players are tired of it. I'm sorry - but if you want to blame anyone for the new stance black squadron and the rest of us are taking on ship 'registration', blame the indies who caused this mess in the first place by not knowing how the hell their own affiliation is supposed to behave.

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[pchwang]

Before this turns into an all out Faction vs. Indy foodfight...

Let's all go back to page one and read the point of the thread?

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[7:42:05 PM][6:51:36 PM] Igor (Smokey): btw terry
[6:51:48 PM] Terrance Cooper: Ye?
[6:52:00 PM] Igor (Smokey): nothin
[6:52:03 PM] Igor (Smokey): just sayin btw
[6:52:05 PM] Terrance Cooper: <_<

Johnny_Haas: you shot anti criuse speed rockets!!!
Johnny_Haas: but why????
Johnny_Haas: ??
Johnny_Haas: why you shoot criuse speed rockets?

[Turkish]

Tenacity, everything you are saying sounds fine and well on paper. But one point that I am very confident in is the abuse of the application via RP method.

If the responsible party in question (in this instance being Bs|) chooses to deny ones application based solely on the fact that it does not align with their choice of direction, or it takes a step in a more separatist view from the Order how is that fair?

This system is flawed because of the biased nature of human beings. The probability of it resulting in RP fascism over the ability of independent players to explore new and radical roles. Do you know what that leads to? Stagnant and static RP.

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I have a fetish for all things Norse.

[Orin]

I'm not getting all involved in this, but I prefer so-called static RP resulting from a smidge of bias and control over ooRP free-for-all indies wtfpwning NY in Osirises.

The fact is, why are these indies flying capships? Half of them barely RP, and I love 'em to death, but honestly. They do their little trade runs for a week and then throw their weight around in their capships.

That's not what Discovery is. And if stagnance results from a measure of control, so be it, in my opinion.

<backs out slowly>