Bs| to Order indies

[n00bl3t]

My post was directed at akumabito, not you.
And still you dont listen, but respond with nothing other than personal bias against people you believe have wronged you.

I was not sure. Quote the person you are responding to, otherwise it just gets confusing in these wall of text arguments.

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Anything I say is not intended as offensive, and to try and deliberately misinterpret it as such would be an attempt at trolling via misrepresentation.

It's not a conspiracy, it's localised bias. They're not intelligent enough to form a conspiracy.

[Robert.Fitzgerald]

I just think both sides - factions and independents - need improvement. Registrations and such should have RP reasons instead of being designed to root out OORP players. OORP players do and will exist for the life of this server. There will always be someone who doesn't have the time, patience or attention-span to roleplay to the level of the rest of the player base. There will always be newcomers who just want a mod to play on. If they are really OORP, these players should be reported or talked to (depends on the situation). However, you can't help/drive off everyone, and registrations don't help too much. There are still rampant Outcast destroyers in New Berlin. There are still Kusari/Rheinland independents going to places they shouldn't. There are still Corsair capital ships going around Sirius, etc. They can't all be helped, so take things on an individual basis.

My idea of a registration would be to simply have the player post. Like my Bounty Hunters Guild Registration. Sure, I see holes in some posters' RP: Battleships belonging to the Hunters section of the Guild, operating in Liberty, yeah. I don't strike their name off the list. I've just moved them into the Guild Core section. My reasoning for the "lax" nature of my registration is, if they put in the effort to look for my registration (after all I don't preach it in game) then they have managed to get onto the forums and experience them. They probably take the effort to look elsewhere here, in the roleplay hub for example. If the independents on my registration take the effort to register, then I simply assume they have the effort to roleplay and act reasonable to a respectable level in-game.

Now, onto the other side. Not all factions are bad as some say. I'm in a member of quite a few, yes, but I have more independents than factionised characters. Factions aren't just out there to be admin buddies or restricters of roleplay, in fact a lot of them try to include independents under their wings. I know the S/D likes to group with fellow hunters. The Gaian chat on Skype includes both independents and NLH members. Outcast faction raids often include independents, so I'm fairly sure that not every official group is out there to persecute.

Someone might pick out holes in this, saying my examples are not about the factions which may (or may not, different perspective) persecute independents, but I personally can't see any. Apart from the Phantoms and SCRA, but that's entirely understandable. They can't be allowed independents so they have to drive them away.

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[Turkish]

I really do appreciate how you seem to be ignoring everything I say, Ten.

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[Tenacity]

I really do appreciate how you seem to be ignoring everything I say, Ten.

You're welcome.

Really, I havent been paying attention to much of what you've said because i'm having to spend all my time writing up responses to the ridiculous arguments that keep getting spewed up by nooblet and akumabito.

EDIT:

And to be honest, I missed your post entirely, here's your response-

I wont take anything you say as canon given you aren't one of the adjudicators of Black Squadron.

Would you be willing offer more information on the potential to break from the mould should the appropriate RP, history and commitment be shown and written?

I go by what has been revealed in:
in-game rumors
in-game infocards
singleplayer campaign
developer-written commentary

When deciding how the members of the order should act, or how they should function. If you dont want to take what I say as "canon", then you're ignoring what the entire faction is based on. I dont make up new crap to fuel the faction - this entire mod's RP style is based on vanilla freelancer, so that is what I follow.

When I say that it's OORP for fleets of order osirises to storm into new york and start slaughtering people, that is based off of freelancer 'canon'. The order was founded from a liberty organization, it became a group with the sole intent of protecting humanity and all of it's interests from alien threats. It is a guardian organization - and by openly firing in areas packed to the brim with civilians, traders, freelancers, etc., the order ship in question is going against what is considered standard or proper order behavior. How can we exist to 'protect' humanity when we're sitting there slaughtering it singlehandedly? That is OORP behavior, but because server rules do not recognize it as such, it isnt sanctionable.

That's one of the problems here, there is set RP that many people just dont see because they dont look into the faction deep enough (and I dont mean the player faction, but rather the NPC affiliation). Yes, it says we're hostile to liberty navy/LSF - does anyone ever actually try to work out WHY? Liberty is hostile to us, we are defensive against them in nature. They're hostile because we stole their ships, and because they think we're terrorists for assassinating infected individuals during the nomad war - the order has nothing agaisnt liberty, or it's navy, or the lsf; our side in that "war" is defensive only. That isnt something you can debate as player-created RP, that's how things were intended by the developers of the original freelancer, look into it and you'll probably find a dozen other points of RP that are violated daily by players who are completely oblivious because they couldnt spend a few minutes to actually research the faction they're repping up with.

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[n00bl3t]

I just think both sides - factions and independents - need improvement. Registrations and such should have RP reasons instead of being designed to root out OORP players. OORP players do and will exist for the life of this server. There will always be someone who doesn't have the time, patience or attention-span to roleplay to the level of the rest of the player base. There will always be newcomers who just want a mod to play on. If they are really OORP, these players should be reported or talked to (depends on the situation). However, you can't help/drive off everyone, and registrations don't help too much. There are still rampant Outcast destroyers in New Berlin. There are still Kusari/Rheinland independents going to places they shouldn't. There are still Corsair capital ships going around Sirius, etc. They can't all be helped, so take things on an individual basis.

My idea of a registration would be to simply have the player post. Like my Bounty Hunters Guild Registration. Sure, I see holes in some posters' RP. Battleships belonging to the Hunters section of the Guild, operating in Liberty, yeah. I don't strike their name off the list. I've just moved them into the Guild Core section. My reasoning for the "lax" nature of my registration is, if they put in the effort to look for my registration (after all I don't preach it in game) then they have managed to get onto the forums and experience them. They probably take the effort to look elsewhere here, in the roleplay hub for example. If the independents on my registration take the effort to register, then I simply assume they have the effort to roleplay and act reasonable to a respectable level in-game.

Now, onto the other side. Not all factions are bad as some say. I'm in a member of quite a few, yes, but I have more independents than factionised characters. Factions aren't just out there to be admin buddies or restricters of roleplay, in fact a lot of them try to include independents under their wings. I know the S/D likes to group with fellow hunters. The Gaian chat on Skype includes both independents and NLH members. Outcast faction raids often include independents, so I'm fairly sure that not every official group is out there to persecute.

Someone might pick out holes in this, saying my exampes are not about the factions which may (or may not, different perspective) persecute independents, but I personally can't see any. Apart from the Phantoms and SCRA, but that's entirely understandable. They can't be allowed independents so they have to drive them away.

Hopefully not as it is a good post.

Registration, if it exists, should be relaxed. Not register or die. It just does not work.

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You're welcome.

Really, I havent been paying attention to much of what you've said because i'm having to spend all my time writing up responses to the ridiculous arguments that keep getting spewed up by nooblet and akumabito.

My last response, since my last ones were invalidated some time ago as you were addressing Akumabito and not me, was some time ago.

Pray, do continue to call my responses ridiculous. However, I have shown that your faction restrictions will not work and will not be conducive to the server.

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Anything I say is not intended as offensive, and to try and deliberately misinterpret it as such would be an attempt at trolling via misrepresentation.

It's not a conspiracy, it's localised bias. They're not intelligent enough to form a conspiracy.

[Turkish]

I'm going to begin writing an RP for something which you will probably dislike, disagree with and would willingly disbar from Order space.

And its going to be completely within the bounds described by the declaration as it stands in its final form.

It would also be nice if you could take a moment to review my last question please.

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I have a fetish for all things Norse.

[Tenacity]

I'm going to begin writing an RP for something which you will probably dislike, disagree with and would willingly disbar from Order space.

And its going to be completely within the bounds described by the declaration as it stands in its final form.

It would also be nice if you could take a moment to review my last question please.

Edited my post.

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[Turkish]

Thank you, but that was rather Liberty-centric when I was thinking as a whole for the concept of departing from the directly established behaviours in regards to the interactions and treatment of Bs| towards that possibility, as well as your own actions.

Canon was also meant reference to the decided upon decisions of Bs| in regards to their standards.

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[Athenian]

YES! Another thread that, despite the original post, has turned to capships, registration, faction vs. indies, full of flames and hijackings. Brilliant. I love these. I could set my watch by them. Still i suppose it gives the Order something to do, other than stare at the featureless space around Toledo As a Hunter I am glad to see the nitwits become fragmented and turn on each other. Saviours of humanity, huh?

Not any longer, the point now is to make faction leaders feel like big men at the expense of others.

Unselie is female, dude. So that should read "big women".

Do you think it should be a requirement, or not? If not then you agree with me that on forum rp requirements to fly cap ships, imposed by factions, is wrong.

I don't think the issue is black and white. It depends on the faction. A faction of idiots would get the response they deserve: a big two fingers - from me. In game though. And all done through RP.

Then put it in the rules, password protect the server, and only let people on when they meet those additional requirements.
You OK with that? Work within the rules instead of trying to make new ones enforced by pvp whoring?
BTW, I probably post 100 lines of RP a day on RPOL, real RP for RP's sake, not "I'm a robot alien hybrid ubership so I can fly this" rp.
Try it and see what I mean.

Password protecting the server might kill the server and game. Besides it's too late, you're already here. Joke.

I mean this genuinley, could you not post some RP here? I'd like to read some of it. I am here to have fun and see what kind of creativity people come up with.

I'm with Robert Fitzgerald on the registration thing. The problem keeps popping up. An open server will occasionally catch a few turds, for want of a better word. Forum RP adds depth; surely that's a good thing? Surely that's a plus? Surely anything that encourages (note the word) people to come to the forums is a good move?

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[Akumabito]

I mean this genuinley, could you not post some RP here? I'd like to read some of it. I am here to have fun and see what kind of creativity people come up with.

I did post rp here and got insulted for it, even by an admin. Come to RPOL and I'll get you lurker status for some of the games I'm in.

Besides, I'm on your side now, starting the TO| true order clan, then I can bully indies too! No cap ships for you!

Unselie is female, dude. So that should read "big women".

Is she still around?

Password protecting the server might kill the server and game. Besides it's too late, you're already here. Joke.

Well, it would keep all these people who don't post rp on the forums off, and they are destroying the server, right?