Want some opinions and ideas

[Orin]

And when it comes - it will be known to have such possibility. It involves much, including discussing such possibilities with administrators and so on, not to mention having a technical aspect dealt with as in having enough systems/bases and actual content, so it's a complex process, it alone will take many months. So right now nothing until the time comes and the possibility will become open.

Good. That's all I wanted to hear. I'm glad your mature enough to have an open mind. I never implied that a half-baked idea should be given free reign. All I wanted for Discovery was the opportunity for new ideas in the Nomads' RP.

There's nothing further to debate here.


EDIT@Magoo: I'm not throwing back-handed insults regarding peoples' maturity. I'm debating a serious issue of the community's right to RP. Keep your comments to yourself if they don't add to the subject, please.

[Magoo!]

Insert firey debate here.

In any case, I've forwarded Tenacity my ideas... In case anybody cares.

Just thought I'd share with the class... Gotta run now though.

-Edit- And relax, Orin. No need to go throwing back-handed insults regarding people's maturity. The only one who should be in question from that aspect is somebody who's name completes "Ma-ta-ta".

[ryoken]

Title's wrong. should be: "they wont lemme into the keepers, so imma make a NOMMIE FAKSHUN!", more than asking for opinions and ideas.:dry:

but since you ask for "opinions and ideas", no. the idea isnt possible, since the nomads work as one. they are all collectively part of the mindshare, to add that whatever titan said, since he nailed it all in one.

Boy you hit the nail on the head.
Just because you write good stories(and i mean alot, dam!) does not mean you get into the nomad's. I been flying my nomad(none faction of course) for a year, and fought along side the real nomad's. They have never asked me to join them, and i never asked them to join. They are a close bunch,and want to stay that way.I can understand that.
You need to live with it Tenacity, not find a way around it. Another Nomad faction would just be wrong,and is really not needed. I think it would just bring alot of OORP noob's(no offence meant)running around trying to PvP with all around. You want that join the BH's. They already have it covered.

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[Zelot]

I am coming to this argument a bit late, but I want to voice my opinion about the possibility of future other Nomad groups. I dont like the who idea that people are putting across that it is impossible for their to be a renegade Nomad group. This because they have mindshare, or it seems that is what people are saying. Another group from another sci-fi story that has a similar unitary nature are the Borg, but we saw a renegade group among them. I honestly dont like people who say that there is only one possibility for a player faction from a NPC faction. I think there aught to be the possibility to play a renegade of any group. I also dont like the way people react when this is brought up. I would love to see a renegade Order group, and instead of seeing BS respond that it is not allowed, instead see them rp a conflict with a renegade group. RP problems have RP solutions people.

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[Athenian]

Another Nomad faction would just be wrong,and is really not needed. I think it would just bring alot of OORP noob's(no offence meant)running around trying to PvP with all around. You want that join the BH's. They already have it covered.

Sorry we're not recruiting at present.

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[Orin]

I am coming to this argument a bit late, but I want to voice my opinion about the possibility of future other Nomad groups. I dont like the who idea that people are putting across that it is impossible for their to be a renegade Nomad group. This because they have mindshare, or it seems that is what people are saying. Another group from another sci-fi story that has a similar unitary nature are the Borg, but we saw a renegade group among them. I honestly dont like people who say that there is only one possibility for a player faction from a NPC faction. I think there aught to be the possibility to play a renegade of any group. I also dont like the way people react when this is brought up. I would love to see a renegade Order group, and instead of seeing BS respond that it is not allowed, instead see them rp a conflict with a renegade group. RP problems have RP solutions people.

Excellent point, Zelot.

I'm not going to add anything here, because that's just it. Renegade factions, when done correctly, are an addition to RP. Not a detriment.

But right now, as has been explained somewhat to me by PM, a renegade Nomad group cannot happen. In the future, who knows, but right now there is too much RP and lore written to be discounted by a new idea.

[Lux]

Depends on the actual implementation, it may conflict to a large degree, thus breaking consistency. It has to be a replication process, not triggering "brain-split" which commonly in cluster systems mean severe issues. Parallels between Discovery and those can be easily done. It also depends on the intention of the faction creator, if the intention is to deliberately cause "brain-split" then I will not allow inconsistencies leading to nodes conflicting with each other over information to occur within the system.

So you think that if the faction grows to encompass another group, it'll cause severe issues with the game, the RP, the players affected, and the present Nomad factions? Is that all you think people can do, destroy what is already in place?
Like you said, it took time and effort to make a faction like the Keepers. While I agree that a new Nomad faction would take much time and effort, if someone decided to go through with it then what makes you think that they can't or won't do so? If they fail to make it good, then you guys don't publish it. Simple as that.
You said yourself that your idea started from nothing, when people thought it wasn't at all a good idea. So why are you trying to stop this idea from starting somewhere, and saying that it's pointless to try since it could affect you. No matter what you say, that's what I call "selfish". Even if you try to justify it by saying it could affect more than just the Nomads, which albeit could be true, the fact remains that you're worried that your time and effort will rot because of this.
The idea in itself has much room for improvement, but that's where the time and effort part comes in. I say that you're being close-minded on this.

To Tenacity people who think that the Keepers are at fault for rejecting the idea as soon as it was published, which although may be true, remind yourself that Tenacity doesn't have the best reputation with the Nomad factions. No offense, but his attitude after them not accepting him into their ranks doesn't exactly inspire confidence.
Also, the idea, like mentioned before, could definitely use some work on it; however, I do not think that it is unachievable. If you put proper effort into something, it will flourish.

In the end, it's best to try to look from both points of view; I definitely say that this is worth a shot, though. Tenacity and other interested people could write the RP, the rules for the faction, the diplomacy, and all the rest, then hand it over to Igiss or whoever takes care of these things (I'm not exactly up to date on these things, I'm afraid). If the work isn't satisfactory, then it would be rejected at the time. Until then, I think automatic rejection of the idea is completely close-minded and that it deserves a shot.

EDIT: Great... I only manage to finish my post once the discussion is over. Just my luck.

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THEY TOLD ME I COULD BE ANYTHING SO I BECAME A SIGNATURE PLS HLP

[Orin]

I just need to throw in here that it can't happen right now. Treewyrm has agreed that in the future, it's possible, but not right now.

Too much lore and work has gone into the K'Hara's mythos for 4.85. Another Nomad faction popping up right now just can't happen. Some rights are reserved for those who take the time to do something. You can't throw a monkey wrench into that.

It's a possibility. Not right now. In the future. That's fine.


EDIT: And now I'll try to back out of this. Everything has been said, and agreed on. If I post again, Zelot will probably give me spanking or summut.

[Treewyrm]

RP problems have RP solutions people.

Ideally, yes. Had it only been like that the world would have been much safer and much different I suppose, alas this only a reflection with many issues and problems inherited, diseases that can't be fully cured, only treated. I'm not an alchemist, neither you are and not like we can make a philosopher's stone, so I'll keep being realistic.

HellFire0, try to re-read my posts again till you understand they meant instead of jumping onto train of accusations. I'm working on making the infrastructure possible but it's not my call, but meanwhile it's not there yet, so no, car ain't finished yet - you can't ride it, it has no seats yet, wait till it's fully finished, working, shining and has been crash tested, as in all sanity let's not throw untested cars onto this high traffic.

[Zelot]

EDIT: And now I'll try to back out of this. Everything has been said, and agreed on. If I post again, Zelot will probably give me spanking or summut.

That sounds a bit kinky to me.

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