New Order/BlackSquadron Role Play Rules

[Wolfpack98]

The player controls the character. Sorry differenating them isn't that easy to do as some of us have come to understand in a community like this.

I honestly don't really care what' gonna happen right now. Anything with Bs| has been shut down for the holidays. If they wanna get on, they're welcome to do so, but they've got orders.

I'll deal with the cap ship crap when I've actually had a chance to step back and away from the flames i have received in the last week. Once i've figured out WHAT we can do and what we can't do, I'll put that up. But since I apparently can't stop idiot order pilots from grabbingt a non-faction ship and going out and PVP whore everywhere but their zone of infuence, that hardly fixes anything, which is the big issue here.

Bounties are fine and merry. I've never found them to be a solution

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[reavengitair]

on this whole attacking NY, couldnt we just make it that the LN & co are officially hostile with The Order while The Order doesnt have them on their hostiles list?

that way it wouldnt be cannon (as far as I am aware) to waltz into NY and massacre everyone.

This one way hate does happen... (GC hates Corsairs but Corsairs dont have the GC on their hostiles list)

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oops... cant do that... then there will be no more liberty killing missions...

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well you could do that... but then you may have to put nomad killing missions in or something... Or just have BHG killing missions, but that would get boring after ahwile.

[Tenacity]

on this whole attacking NY, couldnt we just make it that the LN & co are officially hostile with The Order while The Order doesnt have them on their hostiles list?

that way it wouldnt be cannon (as far as I am aware) to waltz into NY and massacre everyone.

This one way hate does happen... (GC hates Corsairs but Corsairs dont have the GC on their hostiles list)

EDIT:

oops... cant do that... then there will be no more liberty killing missions...

this is a good idea.


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I think one thing that could really help with your problem is a capital ship registry. Since their are precedents for this, including the destruction of unregistered ships, there would be no need to whine about it, and the same systems already in use could be adapted for the order.

The problem is that the admins are (now) saying that if we destroy ships for this reason, we'll be sanctioned for oorp behavior.

The admins cant make up their damn minds, it seems. Some admins say one thing, Other admins say something entirely different, and sanctions get tossed out for both options. The rules are too damn muddy here to even tell what you can and cannot do anymore -_-

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[Drake]

Some admins say one thing, Other admins say something entirely different, and sanctions get tossed out for both options. The rules are too damn muddy here to even tell what you can and cannot do anymore -_-

Alas, it's been this way to some extent for at least as long as I've been around. At least most enforced rules now days are actually cataloged in a rules section; used to be an Admin(s) would say something's a rule once, in some 10+ page thread, where some people remembered it but the only people who could find it were those who bookmarked it. Things are better now.

[Reverend Del]

Expect a post on what can and cannot be done soon, Igiss is a busy man, but he has been posting in our Admin debate thread about what we should be defining canon RP for the Order as. So far the results seem to suit almost everyone, Bs| included, but more than that I cannot say until full consensus is reached.

Tenacity I'm detecting a thinly veiled attack, again, on the Admin team. We do know an awful lot about the various diplomacies and RP of almost every faction, shockingly enough we have read up on them, both as vanilla factions and as Discovery factions. We take into account what we know of Discoverys storyline and where we are told it's going. We define canon as being as close to that story as possible. Frankly most of it is common sense, or so we thought, but the Order seems to be choosing a difficult path.

My belief is that Order are not at full scale war against Liberty, but should be conducting operations designed to infiltrate and discover new information about Rheinland's claim of Liberty conducting experiments in Alaska this would include spying within the House itself, Liberty on the other hand is still miffed that the Order exists and would like to see every member deader than dead to prevent them ever fully declaring what they used to be and bringing embarrassment to the most powerful House in Sirius. Now I do concur with the general consensus that attacking Liberty with a cap fleet is not on, but that is my own opinion.

As mentioned expect a thread soon. We are debating it but the Admin team does not make decisions quickly, discussion and debate are required. Patience is a virtue all should master before adding hyberbolic garnishes to every statement.

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[El Nino]

My belief is that Order are not at full scale war against Liberty, but should be conducting operations designed to infiltrate and discover new information about Rheinland's claim of Liberty conducting experiments in Alaska this would include spying within the House itself, Liberty on the other hand is still miffed that the Order exists and would like to see every member deader than dead to prevent them ever fully declaring what they used to be and bringing embarrassment to the most powerful House in Sirius. Now I do concur with the general consensus that attacking Liberty with a cap fleet is not on, but that is my own opinion.

Here here... this is exactly how it should be!

So what do we do about zoner capships with order tags and ID's trying to lay a siege to NY? Perhaps we should send an Adminiai Preatorian, armed with a few lvl 1 code weapons...

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[Linkus]

So what do we do about zoner capships with order tags and ID's trying to lay a siege to NY?

It's come up a few million times now and the answer is generally the same from Admins.

If it is RP'ed then it is fine.
If it is not RP'ed then it is a matter for the Admins.

It is not up to individual player factions to act as server police and they ought not to try.

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[Kuraine]

So what do we do about zoner capships with order tags and ID's trying to lay a siege to NY? Perhaps we should send an Adminiai Preatorian, armed with a few lvl 1 code weapons...

That would be no different to the Order using an Osiris to do the same, so the same rules and situation would apply.

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Kuraine (Zoner tagged Trader)
Ravenholm (Zoner tagged Zoner Destroyer)
Bill Mason[Arms.Dealer] (Zoner tagged Arms Dealer)
LR-Drax (Liberty Rogue tagged Cruiser)
LR-Dravis (Liberty Rogue tagged VHF)
[RHA]Wilhelm.Wettin (Red Hessian tagged VHF)
[GC]-Ai.Takeda (Golden Chrysanthemum tagged VHF/Bomber)

[Nevearo]

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I'll deal with the cap ship crap when I've actually had a chance to step back and away from the flames i have received in the last week.
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[Flame On]
Flaming

Other times, a flamer is simply an individual who believes he or she carries the only valid opinion. This leads him or her to personally attack those who disagree.

Fortunatly, not with a Roundhouse kick.
[Flame off]

My problem with this whole situation isn't the concept, it is the selection of members who make up the system. I do not believe that it will be of benefit for the vast majority of order players.

YES, I KNOW THAT IT ISN'T ENFORCEABLE AGAINST NORMAL INDEPENDENTS

The problem is, enforceable or not, some will try to enforce it. Just as some Bs| members have tried and been sanctioned for in the past. Some will allow it to get away, some may fight back rightly, but it will still end in conflict with independants.

As such, I really and firmly believe that a "Do as I say or Else" attitude of forming it is a -BAD- idea. I believe that a different leader should be chosen, and a better methoid of picking the members on the council be used. I, being an American, believe it should be democratically chosen, at least initially. There may be a better way of choosing the head then Democratically, but I will not stand by the Council with any order character as long as it is lead by a decision made by Wolfpack. I do not trust in him enough to be willing to give this upcoming RP conflict into his hands. I might have more faith in him if he responded to people a little better, but he hasn't. I have nothing against the Bs| having the same number of votes as the Independants, or any future order factions, but I do have problems with a self-appointed head, or members chosen by such. Does the Independant community really feel that Tenacity and stewcool should represent them? I know the Bs| thinks so, but does the community? The reasoning for rejecting my statements, that only those that participate isn't a valid dismissal of what I have said, because even when not allowed, Order player factions have had a history of imposing their will on others.

[ryoken]

Well said Remora. I also have no respect for wolfpack. He barged in,took over,and started calling everyone children,and idiot's. Even to 2 elected indies on his "council" have said they did not want it,and 1 said he is backing down from it. I respected the Bs,and it's leadership. Since wolfpack came back? hell i will not even acknowlege Bs most time's in game anymore.

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