New Order/BlackSquadron Role Play Rules

[Nevearo]

Tenacity, Please for the sake of readability, let us know who you are quoting when you are breaking three different quotes up!

Thank you.
(And please erase the double post!)

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Oh, lets not forget to add remora to the mix:
Remora's order character: "OMFG why'd you go after the LSF instead of the keeper? your RP sucks! I'm telling the high command! you're in big trouble!"

You have just done to me what you blame Magoo! doing to you.
It was more like:
~"Your refusal to attack the Keeper is Disturbing. When I am done engaging him I will be filing a report to the High Council about your gross negligence."

When he confronted me later about how the High Command was dissolved (and informed me about how he was one of the three council members appointed by Wolfpack) I informed him later
~"//It was for the "fictional" High Command. I was just trying to stay within my RP."

My Issue with your RP though, can be found both by your Profile to a degree, as well as the personal log implying you taking quicker action against nomads.

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we had two seats on the council available, and I was even -trying- to get people who oppose my personal views (like ryoken) into the council. Now, what kind of power grubbing bitch would I be if I tried to get my enemies onto the council with me, eh?

Your version has two seats on the council, with you taking a role in it. That combined with the comment about how you were "Appointed to the Council" despite the fact I worked so hard to convince Wolfpack to let those seats be "Selected by the Independents for the Independents" are where the hostility I have for you comes from. My personal dislike of your RP can be set aside, as I set it aside for anyone who has RP I disagree with. What can't be set aside is your continuing attempts to put yourself on the council without the approval of the Independents. It doesn't seem to me that you have the support you need to get on it anyway, maybe you do. If you get on Legitimately, you have my backing 100%. I will be against you every step of the way that you try to get on it illegitimately. Especially attempting to re-write the rules to ensure your place.

Selecting members you disagree with in principle isn't necessarily putting your enemies on the council with you. If you were putting THC on the council, I might believe you. Think you insane, but believe you just the same.

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Read your replies, Remora. You're being ridiculous. 6-9 council members, obviously Tenacity is "THE representative of the Order."
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Sorry for making a misunderstanding.

I WILL SUPPORT TENACITY ON THE ORDER COUNCIL IF HE IS LAWFULLY ELECTED TO THE SEAT!
That is my point. Get him on through a nomination and voting process involving members of the order, not his self-selection or second-party selection. It is being picked by Wolfpack, himself, or Swissscorch I object to, not him serving in the position. I don't think he is a good choice myself, because of RP inconsistency, but I will still listen to and follow him if he gets elected on the council done in a right and fairly way.

[Tenacity]

Selecting members you disagree with in principle isn't necessarily putting your enemies on the council with you. If you were putting THC on the council, I might believe you. Think you insane, but believe you just the same.

hello, we were doing that, perhaps you failed to read the posts on page 16/17 as well, at least until wolf stepped in, shat on our discussion, and decided to do things his way again.

Y'know, I thought he was trying to do the right thing when he first showed up here, but I'm starting to not agree with him at all.

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[simon young]

I am wondering if perhaps someone might take a breath long enough to create a summary of these many pages, as I intend to one day father children and will be unable to do so if I read this entire thread, as I will have long since died before completing it.

[Nevearo]

Summery:
1) Wolfpack made a proposal for a council and dictated who was to be on it and claimed it would be able to force independants to RP.
2) Admins took exception to that
3) Wolfpack changed it to only apply to those who agree to let it apply to them.
4) A lot of people disagreed with him on the basis of him seeming to be powergrabby
5) Some people convinced him to make changes to encourage greater participation of order players
6) He agreed to change the makeup of the council to allow independents self determination of their representation and removed any "figurehead" of the council (which was him before that)
7) Some people still don't want to participate
8) Some people feel that the 3/3 split still gives the Bs| too much power
9) And some people were trying to get nominations together for the Independent side.
10) SwissScorch and Tenacity created a proposal that gets the Unofficial Order groups positions on the council
11) Some people took exception to the new proposal
12) Some people continued arguments began before 3#

I believe this is a fairly good Recap. Did I miss anything?

(Edit: By the way, Tenacity, I only see 5 pages. How about a post # instead. That way we are all on the same page, if you don't mind the pun. Regardless, it doesn't matter who you put on it. My argument stands unchanged. it wasn't about who was/wasn't on it, but about the process to get those people on it.)

[Drake]

Just throwing out my opinion on things.

I like the idea of an Order Council. The Zoner Council has been a success, for the most part, though it gives ALL registered Zoners a vote. However, considering the less-anarchist more-military structure of the Order, having a set number of seats makes sense to me, though other Order players should be able to voice their opinions and concerns even if they don't get a vote.

While the Council would have no actual authority over those people who choose to ignore it, Order players should either decide to go with the Council or ignore it... Don't participate or pretend to go along with them only when they do things the way you want. If you don't agree with the Council or the Council's authority, stay out of it completely.

I see no problem with the Bs| getting multiple seats/votes, seeing as they are the main (and only) official Order faction, and being official should have a few perks, however minor. So two seats out of seven, or maybe three seats out of nine. They shouldn't have enough seats to push through any proposal with just Bs| votes, or even to tie it with just Bs| votes (though with an odd number of seats there should be no ties). I don't believe the Council should have less than seven seats, and more than nine is probably excessive.

With seven seats, give two to Bs|, one each for the two main unofficial Order factions (there are only two, right? If there are three, I'd say make it nine seats for sure), then three independents. The independents should be elected by the other independents (no nominating or voting for yourself).

With nine seats, give three to the Bs|, one each to the other main unofficial Order factions, then four (or three, if there are actually three main unofficial Order factions) to elected independents.

Once formed, the Council may wish to elect a Chairman to keep order (no pun intended, heheh) during sessions, much as the Zoner Council has done. Other than that, the Chairman may be given the authority to decide ties in the event of someone abstaining (which really shouldn't happen often), but none other than that and even that's up to the Council itself.

Anyway, those are my mostly unbiased opinions and suggestions. I only recently made my Order indie (though I had planned on it for some time), and have had almost zero contact with any of the Order factions and most independents (though I flew with the leader of the 42nd, she seemed quite nice). I do, however, intend to follow the decree's of the Council if it gets put together in a reasonably fair manner (which doesn't necessarily mean following ALL my suggestions... though I'd suggest it :D). As a matter of fact, my character only takes orders from the High Command, which I assume this council would try and represent (and could do well).

Cheers.

[Satori]

// Just a suggestion to all those involved, regards nominations, votes etc..
How about some of you work on an introduction of yourself, include your RP style/ type in brief.
Then list any changes or suggestions that you would lobby to bring to Order RP before the council. (and what should remain unchanged!)

No doubt this would all end up being a popularity contest... but I'd rather see why I should vote for any of you. Run it as a mini election!

1 page from all candidates is not much to ask for, especially if your going to be representing Order RP.

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This ship is protected by Zen philosophy!

[n00bl3t]

ALL INDEPENDENT SEATS ARE SELECTED VIA VOTE IN HOWEVER MEANS THEY CHOOSE

Does that mean we can just say we are on the council?

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Anything I say is not intended as offensive, and to try and deliberately misinterpret it as such would be an attempt at trolling via misrepresentation.

It's not a conspiracy, it's localised bias. They're not intelligent enough to form a conspiracy.

[Orin]

Your argument is still fairly ridiculous, Remora, since the council still has no dictating ability, not to mention your completely out of line flaming of Tenacity's RP, but I will humor you.

How should this election take place? Please provide a solution if you're going to continually criticize this into the ground.

(If it makes any difference, I "vote" Tenacity deserves a spot.)

[n00bl3t]

How should this election take place? Please provide a solution if you're going to continually criticize this into the ground.

First all order people who can be bothered show up at a thread I make and vote as to whether people who do not have order characters should be able to vote.

Then, another thread I make, depending on the results of the first thread, has a vote by either all the people who have order characters or everyone as to who should be on the council.

Alternatively, the council becomes more like the Zoner council. (This is the idea I would support.)

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Anything I say is not intended as offensive, and to try and deliberately misinterpret it as such would be an attempt at trolling via misrepresentation.

It's not a conspiracy, it's localised bias. They're not intelligent enough to form a conspiracy.

[Orin]

Sounds fair enough, I don't see why anyone would be against that.

How did the Zoner council "election" work? In brief, if you could be bothered.