Why cant anyone use their own equipment?

[Tenacity]

Can we put in a rule saying that faction-specific weapons (weapons with a faction named in the title) can only be used by that faction, or their -direct- allies? This is primarily concerning capships...

Rheinland turrets should only be used by rheinland military/police vessels.
Liberty turrets should only be used by liberty navy / lsf / lpi vessels.
Kusari turrets should only be used by KNF / KSP / hogosha / AFA vessels.
Bretonian turrets should only be used by BAF/BAP vessels.
ORDER turrets should only be used by Order vessels!

Now, mentioning direct allies, the order are considered allied with the corsairs, zoners, and hogosha. That means those three factions can use order capship turrets in situations where their RP requires such.

Primarily, im getting tired of seeing people who are nuetral, or even hostile, to the order... using order turrets just because they do a couple more damage per second than most others.


I think one of the biggest issues on this server right now is that EVERYONE wants to be trent, everyone wants to be juni, everyone wants to be von claussen... everyone wants to be the superhero instead of playing like the normal joe schmoe they're intended to be. Everyone wants some special ninja-pirate-wizard RP with weapon, equipment, and ship setups that make no sense whatsoever.

Now, I understand that it can be a bit boring to play bretonian police patrol #17, but thats really what we need (well, hypothetically speaking...). Some special RP is ok here and there, but when 90% of the server is composed of infected people, cyborg supermutants, and black forces spec ops agents that can kill you with a sock, it doesnt exactly make for a realistic universe.

I dont see any reason whatsoever to use ships or equipment from another faction when your own faction has ships of the same class, and equipment of the same type, available.

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[Dab]

I saw a character named Juni on the server today.. I almost facepalmed.

Anyway, this is the making of a new trial by forum here. If you have a problem with people using turrets from a hostile faction, its cause to send in a report to the admins, not bring it up on the forums. I think admins have been saying that for quite some time now. And the neutral people, you can't really do anything about that. They're neutral. No one is 'friendly' or 'allied' to civilians, yet countless people, you included, have been saying that civilian weapons are allowed to anyone, and Zoner weapons as well.

And if you see a Liberty ship using Kusari weaponry, you need to talk to the faction leader, because I know for a fact that they don't allow it. If you didn't see it happen and just want to gripe, then stop wasting forum space.

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[Guest]

Tbh i actually find some logic in above post.

But i must add that another rule means another headache for the admins, another loophole ect ect. No need for new rules as they confuse people enough.

And furthermore everyone has a right to rp who he wants, it doesent mean he will think about if others around him feel as good about his rp as he himself does. Yes its true, we can rp more or less what we can. Even a cyborg sadwich from planet Xerna is possible.

p.s. Ive seen only a few infested, and also, since the game IS about nomads and humans, you must expect the odds cut down to 50/50 ish o.o

[Koolmo]

If you didn't see it happen and just want to gripe, then stop wasting forum space.

Amen to that brother.

(You'll notice that I don't agree with Dab often, but he hit the nail on the bloody head there. Get over it.)

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[Guest]

Gonna add that, it is perfectly normal for a man to try to be better than everyone else, noone will be playing the everyman, since they have their fantasy working right and this IS an rp server. Sure many are the ocasional merc or police guy or outcast or corsair. I dont mind a super cyborg or a don, if they can rp it right, which in most cases is the truth.

Just remember this, striving to be higher is natural, its built in trying to be higher than others. That is why we actually evolve.

[Tenacity]

Anyway, this is the making of a new trial by forum here. If you have a problem with people using turrets from a hostile faction, its cause to send in a report to the admins, not bring it up on the forums.

It isnt a trial by forum, because no names are mentioned. This is a general observation to which I think a new rule needs to be applied.

If your faction has equipment/ships of a specific type, dont use someone else's ships/equipment instead. If your faction has a VHF, dont use another faction's VHF. If your faction has cruiser turrets, dont use another faction's cruiser turrets. If your faction has a battleship, dont use another faction's battleship.

They should all fall under OORP ship/equipment unless approved in special character RP.

I think admins have been saying that for quite some time now. And the neutral people, you can't really do anything about that. They're neutral. No one is 'friendly' or 'allied' to civilians, yet countless people, you included, have been saying that civilian weapons are allowed to anyone, and Zoner weapons as well.

There are civilian and zoner weapons, and those should be used for 'nuetral' characters. I also am of the mind that bounty hunters should stick to zoner weapons, and at most use liberty/bretonian weapons if they absolutely must.

But i must add that another rule means another headache for the admins, another loophole ect ect. No need for new rules as they confuse people enough.

As I said, this really falls under the whole "Ships/equipment must be in-RP" rule, it just adds a bit of detail to the wording so that people actually pay attention.

I just dont see any reason to use someone else's ships or equipment when your own faction provides them, unless you have special RP that requires such equipment or vessels. As an example, after 4.85 is released the order will have a full set of capships - everything from gunboat to battleship. Now, do you see any logical reason why an order crew would use a corsair cruiser when the order has it's own cruiser available?

Or, as to the main reason i'm posting this in the first place, I saw a KNF tagged/ID'd player with an IMG gunboat and Order gunboat turrets today. Now, why would any KNF crew use a 'gaijin' ship? They have their own gunboat, which btw is far more powerful than the IMG gunboat - they also have their own weapons, and are not direct allies of the order. They would have no way of getting ahold of our weapons without our approval.

That player (indy, not a [KNF]) would have been far better off in a kusari gunboat with kusari gunboat turrets, both in pvp and rp.

I mean, i'm pretty sure the united states navy would get a little ticked off if our navymen decided to start using japanese or british ships instead of our own =P

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[BaconSoda]

So, what, I can't be the protagonist of the story I tell?

Tenacity, I think you need a break. Honestly, I do...

EDIT: If you have a problem with what some person does, talk to them about it, place a comment in the appropriate forum, or file a report. Really, now...

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[Tenacity]

So, what, I can't be the protagonist of the story I tell?

Tenacity, I think you need a break. Honestly, I do...

I suppose trying to figure out illogical people by using logic is just going to give me a headache in the end, eh? :laugh:

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[Thexare]

Hm. So you'd say, then, that I should give Ayumu's Loki back to the Hessians? Even ignoring the fact that he also has a Scimitar, and that every one of my other Outcasts uses a normal ship?

Well, here's what I say:

Is it out of character for the Outcasts to want a Light Fighter that can fire torpedoes? Would it be out of character, then, for the Red Hessians to give them a few to help guard the closest Outcast base?

Is it out of character for a Rogue to use his profits to buy a Sabre - or, if you subscribe to the "Outcasts build it lol" theory, is it out of character for an Outcast to sell the Rogues some Sabres to help an ally out?

No, it's perfectly reasonable - logical, to use a term you've mockingly pulled out in your most recent snide reply.

Quit whining about pointless BS.

EDIT: So we're clear, this is the bit that set off this rant:

I dont see any reason whatsoever to use ships or equipment from another faction when your own faction has ships of the same class, and equipment of the same type, available.

[Tenacity]

Hm. So you'd say, then, that I should give Ayumu's Loki back to the Hessians? Even ignoring the fact that he also has a Scimitar, and that every one of my other Outcasts uses a normal ship?

like I said, using stuff from -direct allies- (people listed in your faction infocard as 'allies') is ok, but using stuff completely out of the way should be cut down on.

If you're an outcast, hessians are direct allies, the loki would be ok in that case. However, an outcast flying a zoner gunboat? Not ok IMO.

Is it out of character for the Outcasts to want a Light Fighter that can fire torpedoes? Would it be out of character, then, for the Red Hessians to give them a few to help guard the closest Outcast base?

Is it out of character for a Rogue to use his profits to buy a Sabre - or, if you subscribe to the "Outcasts build it lol" theory, is it out of character for an Outcast to sell the Rogues some Sabres to help an ally out?

Again, they're direct allies, but the decision should be made due to RP, not because you want a more powerful vessel to pvp with.

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