Smuggling like trading should be in RP, the geniric ID's are way way too abused. Players should not be smuggling through Alaska like traders should not be runnin through Chugoku.
I look forward too seeing smugglers deliver to Junker bases insteed of flying a lawful blockade at Planet Manhattan and shouting "Cant touch me" on comms! Total RP buzz kill that. Like the law wouldnt deny docking on a identified smuggler or arrest the offending crew on landing. Same goes for an unauthorised landing on Malta, like the Corsairs wouldnt eat the crew on landing!
Generally I'm not a fan of more rules but in-RP behaviour should be examined.
' Wrote:Weed, I think you are missing my point, what I am saying is that just like there are different types of traders, designated by different factions, there are also different types of smugglers, designated by their relations with factions and their rp. Just like there should be good in-rp routes for the different types of traders, there should be good in-rp routes for the different type of smugglers. One of the reasons the Alaska issue is such a big one is the lack of good in-rp routes for selling artifacts. That is not to excuse use of the Alaska route, I dont use it, people shouldn't use it, save for with some exceptional rp, but if there were better options people would be less inclined to use it.
no generic id for smugglers ? You sir go look in the mirror right now and slap ure self very hard then say no while pointing at ure reflection. i am a smuggler Independant i work for my self i align my self with no one faction i am nutrual to almost every faction there is u know how? 1x outcast bribe 1x zoner bribe end of story the zoner bribe put me nutrual with the corsairs and the outcast and every lawful there is just about Rep fixing no the rp for it is there is a black market for everything i go where the profit is smugglers can moove Trade goods and contraband that is the reasion for beeing nutrual to many.
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' Wrote:no generic id for smugglers ? You sir go look in the mirror right now and slap ure self very hard then say no while pointing at ure reflection. i am a smuggler Independant i work for my self i align my self with no one faction i am nutrual to almost every faction there is u know how? 1x outcast bribe 1x zoner bribe end of story the zoner bribe put me nutrual with the corsairs and the outcast and every lawful there is just about Rep fixing no the rp for it is there is a black market for everything i go where the profit is smugglers can moove Trade goods and contraband that is the reasion for beeing nutrual to many.
well i use Outcasts ID to smuggle cardamine but i think the Smuggler is good enough. You do not need to get spetial ID Smuggelr id puts you in bad posision with the law anyhow and show you are working for the scums. but who are you working for exactly no one knows
' Wrote:Smuggling like trading should be in RP, the geniric ID's are way way too abused. Players should not be smuggling through Alaska like traders should not be runnin through Chugoku.
I look forward too seeing smugglers deliver to Junker bases insteed of flying a lawful blockade at Planet Manhattan and shouting "Cant touch me" on comms! Total RP buzz kill that. Like the law wouldnt deny docking on a identified smuggler or arrest the offending crew on landing. Same goes for an unauthorised landing on Malta, like the Corsairs wouldnt eat the crew on landing!
Generally I'm not a fan of more rules but in-RP behaviour should be examined.
and i agree with every word. You fast dock on a lawfull base while spoted is sooooo non RP.
Simply look to offload the incoming contraband on Junker bases, and Corsairs have a fair number of routes, most obvious of which being light arms/Artifacts.
The real problem with factionalised smugglers is that, while Republican may export diamonds all the way from New Berlin to Kyushu or Leeds, the smuggling routes are managed in stages. Corsairs take the artifacts to the Hawaii, Yanagi or Trafalgar, from whence the Hogosha/Junkers distribute them. The same is true for cardamine. Outcasts will take it as far as Mactan or Buffalo, and, from there, Rogues, Hackers and Junkers will distribute it throught Liberty.
However, this is not easy to replicate in game mechanics. While one could make artifacts sell for $100 on Crete, buy and sell for $1100 on the Hawaii, buy and sell for $1850 on Leiden and sell for $2100 on Manhattan, this may make it profitable to be a Hogosha smuggler and run artifacts on their leg, or a Corsair smuggler to supply the Hogosha hauling from the Hawaii, there will always be "independant", tagless smugglers going start to finish, in order to make the most profit from each unit of their cargo, whatever the lore states about how the contraband should be handled.
Could not have said it better weedalot u want to avoid lawfuls not go Hey look at me im right here u cant miss me. On that subject i have been sited for using hacker space and others differnce is i am a smuggler and they look friendly twords me so i give them a nice donation god knows they gotta work there arse off to get what little they can piriting.
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Second: Your other picture in the rotation fills the full 700x250 boundaries by itself.
With an image that big, you can't fit any text below it. Please fix this.
-Zuke
A sane man must become insane to look sane
In an insane world.
' Wrote:no generic id for smugglers ? You sir go look in the mirror right now and slap ure self very hard then say no while pointing at ure reflection. i am a smuggler Independant i work for my self i align my self with no one faction i am nutrual to almost every faction there is u know how? 1x outcast bribe 1x zoner bribe end of story the zoner bribe put me nutrual with the corsairs and the outcast and every lawful there is just about Rep fixing no the rp for it is there is a black market for everything i go where the profit is smugglers can moove Trade goods and contraband that is the reasion for beeing nutrual to many.
Just because you can get your rep in line does not mean it's in rp. Say for instance a Corsair ship sees you docking on a Outcast base while in a battle. Then later he see's you docking on Crete, you think he isnt going to get in contact with the authorities on Crete and have you executed? The people you trade with and conduct business with have an effect on the way people see you. Now I am not saying get rid of the generic smuggler id or for that matter the generic trader id. I am saying that you should do routes that are in rp for your character.
Lastly Mythical, if you think something is in-rp for you to do because you can get your rep board to look that way, you sir, are doing it wrong.
ever seen star trek ? that little breed of scum who trade evenly with opposing factions same concept i dont give a rats arse if they see me docking on crete then malta so long as im not bringing them cardi to crete then artifacts to malta i'm fime it's a nutrual ground they dont really like us but were there to stay we work for our selvs and we ship there goods who ever we work for at the time is our buisness they compete for our buisness. As i said earlier i work for my self no one faction if u dont like it do something about it till then quite you.
And zealot ure the last person to be talking about dooing anything wrong.
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Second: Your other picture in the rotation fills the full 700x250 boundaries by itself.
With an image that big, you can't fit any text below it. Please fix this.
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A sane man must become insane to look sane
In an insane world.
' Wrote:Just because you can get your rep in line does not mean it's in rp. Say for instance a Corsair ship sees you docking on a Outcast base while in a battle. Then later he see's you docking on Crete, you think he isnt going to get in contact with the authorities on Crete and have you executed? The people you trade with and conduct business with have an effect on the way people see you. Now I am not saying get rid of the generic smuggler id or for that matter the generic trader id. I am saying that you should do routes that are in rp for your character.
Lastly Mythical, if you think something is in-rp for you to do because you can get your rep board to look that way, you sir, are doing it wrong.
yes you should treat him like a treator if he was spoted in alpha and wants to deal with you, unless you have other intreasts he can RP a "spy" or you simply look the other way becouse of the great work he is doing to spread your artifacts. its all shuold be personal RP
' Wrote:ever seen star trek ? that little breed of scum who trade evenly with opposing factions same concept i dont give a rats arse if they see me docking on crete then malta so long as im not bringing them cardi to crete then artifacts to malta i'm fime it's a nutrual ground they dont really like us but were there to stay we work for our selvs and we ship there goods who ever we work for at the time is our buisness they compete for our buisness. As i said earlier i work for my self no one faction if u dont like it do something about it till then quite you.
And zealot ure the last person to be talking about dooing anything wrong.
If I see you docking on a hostile base, you can bet anything that next time I meet you, I'll treat you as a hostile...and encourage my allies to do so.
Hell, anyone caught even thinking about taking war materials north of Leeds is added to the "undesirables" list of Bretonia and hunted down by all lawful operatives whenever encountered.
Your actions, not what you paint on the side of your ship, are what define your relationships.
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