The Corsair issue

[Jihadjoe]

Mind trying to fly them yourself?

Decurion - uhh lf with less turning than BD VHF and way less than Eagle...
Centurion - uhh HF with less turning than Odin or Sabre.... and 8900 powerplant when all others have 9000
Titan - 1 pass missile/nuke/torp free bots for anyone

Yeh, I got a Titan and I quite like it. Not a bad ship... Annoying as hell to hit from infront or behind, nice turn rate, HUGE powerplant... High hitpoints, taught me how to dodge mines... One of the few vanillas which I've seen take a torp full on the nose and not explode. Lovely ship. Plus it can actualy handle two tizzies, four codies, and a mini.

One of my favourite ships in the game to fly Martin... Seriously. Love the thing. Give me one of those over my Guardian any day.

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[Muleo]

only what I can say against sairs (not all of course) is their shipchoice... they have whole shipline except SHF but too much of them (for example in OPG more than 1/2 members) use nonsair ships... mostly ravens talons.my question is why? ftpwn?

Just a quick simple reply to this:
Kambei, why does the RHA fly falcata instead of thors? Because you want to stay competitive, and not die every time. Why is it you think the RHA can fly falcata, but Corsairs should all fly titans? I'm not trying to attack the RHA, most of my experiences with them have been good, but try to look at it from our POV.

Try making an indy titan and fly around in it for a while, sure the chimaera is a vanilla ship too, but it's about a 3rd of the width of a titan, and because of the way explosives are triggered, titans are a LOT more likely to eat mines/torpedoes/missiles. You must have noticed in the RHA/Corsair fights, Corsairs start drilling on an RHA bomber, the bomber bleeds bots, and then some poor guy in a titan eats a mine, and the RHA bomber is refilled. Imagine if all Corsairs flew titans, would they stand a chance?

[Zig]

You are the one that flies Greyhound or Stinger with as many explosives as you can mount on it and 1 pass noobish Titans yes :yahoo:

Correction: I'm the one that flies a Greyhound or Stinger (neither of which is exactly Disco's best fighter, either) with two missiles, rest guns (that setup never varies for me) into Omicron Gamma and kills any fighter or bomber (vanilla or nonvanilla) I run into, whether "noobish" or experienced and skilled, no matter how outnumbered or outgunned I am (and this is Omicron Gamma we're talking about). Oh, and I make as many passes as it takes, too. McNeo got it right. Guess you've been on the wrong end of my Mini Razor before. :yahoo:

Maybe you haven't noticed that 3 Official Corsair factions just recently tried to control one "independent" unofficial faction that went against Corsair roleplay with attacking Zoners and simillar things...

what was the result?

Bastille, sanctions and "war is over" directive.

Kid, I was involved in this - I'm the guy that Karolis tried to set up. The OPG violated just as many rules as the HAF did in this particular conflict - further reinforcing my opinion that the Corsair official factions have some kinks of their own to work out and that the Omicron Gamma problem isn't just fueled by independents.

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Luls:

Role-play is not the be all and end all.

[globalplayer-svk]

I am surprised why are people wondered that when they attack gamma,they face:-lot of fighters and bombers undocking
-lot of capital ships

Think,who or what learned us use this tactics.when was gamma raided daily from outcasts wirth AW and wirh HF, noone screamed here about poor corsairs.when was gamma raided with 6+ bh battleships or battlecruisers noone screamed poor corsairs.when bounty hunters switched their capshipa for gs with 4 missile turrets(bringing them against titans)then all was ok, and when we learned how to solve this, with numbers or with power,then all are screaming poor attackers on corsairs HOME??

that is our home,we can and we will use every available ship to defend it.

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[Jihadjoe]

Enough chestbeating and stupidity now... This isn't a conversation about who's ships suck. I tried to end that one with my earlier post regarding the titan... but it didn't quick work. Nor is this a thread about how many corsairs you can kill, nor is it a thread about how you set up your ship. This is a thread about trying to sort out a problem. Not throwing blame around like disgruntled five year olds.

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[mjolnir]

So if my faction of choice has ships that are weak, I can opt for non-faction ones for a PvP edge? Of course, I would assume that this would only apply when a ship is bugged rather than simply weak.

There are bugged ships yes, like the Arwing, so you use neutral ship with exactly same stats... and get sanctioned for it.

You can't have everything - where would you put it? So I can ditch my Manta because it's vanilla ie 1 pass missile/nuke/torp free bots for anyone - or the Hammerhead because it is like a underpowered eagle and also - 1 pass missile/nuke/torp free bots for anyone.

With some ships you have a trade-off. Vanilla vulnerability for faster turning - like on Manta, Eagle, Sabre...what's the trade-off on a Titan? It's hard to hi with guns... great so you can get a "died 100 times and never to guns" sign in your signature, but you'll still be just as dead.

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Anyway let's see what how life of new corsair player with average skill can pick from:

First most of them get a Titan, enter a few fights all happy about fighters and die extremely fast in each of them. After a while they give up.... and pick Praetorian or GB, most probably a GB cause bombers are not that easy to use. And then they get flamed for using GBs, so what to pick then?


I was one of those that 1 year ago was fighting in Eta on my Sabre and didn't believe Corsairs that said it's not so easy flying a Titan. So I switched, to find out that it$ really is not so easy. Since then I advise anyone to get a Titan and try it themselves in a proper big fight.


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@ Zig
I actually never fought you, because your reputation sends you right into the "ignore in game" group.

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Igiss says: Martin, you give them a finger, they bite off your arm.

[Jihadjoe]

And that one gets the lock.

Completely off topic trash like that tends to end like this.

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[Laowai]

And that one gets the lock.

Completely off topic trash like that tends to end like this.

Sorry Joe, did want to chime in on this one....


Firstly, Corsairs - yep, lots of problems, lots of great Role play there too, i spend most of my time there. I spend a lot of time there as and admin as well as a player so i know the problems.


But here is problem with Disco illustrated in this thread - if people spent less time on these forums whining about pointless pvp arguments over and over ad-nauseum and actually went in and played the game it might be a whole lot better.

If people remembered that this is a Role play server and not a "how dare you beat me at pvp server" we might get a long a whole lot better.
I'm all for rearranging the forums - removing flood altogether and renaming the "general discussion" area to "Whining about pvp" and putting it in tiny print where its hard to find. Then move all the Role play threads up in bold print saying "THIS: IN GAME AND ON THE FORUMS IS WHAT THIS SERVER IS ABOUT".

rant over. locked again

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[Jihadjoe]

Thank you Ben, you made my point in a far more eloquent way than I did.

No need to appologise.

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