House territories

[pbrione]

Xoria, I apologise if I have offended you personally in any way by any of the Diplomatic RP I have done on behalf of Bretonia, but I find you tone startlingly hostile. Never in my time at Discovery have we carried through any diplomatic actions in game without thorough forum RP, and I had honestly thought that carrying out diplomacy in a RP manner was one of the main principles of Discovery as a RP Server. Your complaint that the Treaty of Curacao appeared overnight without consultation seems remarkable, considering there were forum posts about it in the diplomatic section for weeks beforehand. The fact that we chose to make these posts in RP did not in any way prevent you from reading them nor raising any OORP concerns you had about the way the RP was going with us privately, yet you clearly did not do so. I'm very sorry, but I fail to see why you appear to be so offended by us attempting to carry out faction RP that does not contradict Discovery Canon. Never have we intended to show discourtesy or selfishness towards other players, and I hold the importance of respect towards others that we interact in-game with in the highest regard.

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Sir Stanley Nelson




<span style="color:#000066">Charles Canning </span><span style="color:#000066"> Foreign Secretary</span>

[MarvinCZ]

In-RP Bretonia wrote a text and flaunts it. All the diplomats had to do was write that fancy text, without any losses. Bloody powergaming bastards. But realise, that both in-RP and OORP it means just that, a formal claim. Enforcing it in-RP is going to take losses (if met with opposition) and only that can yield any benefits.

Bretonia claimed Orkney long ago, as shown both in cannon resources and old forum RP. What changed is the appearance of forces that might contest it. Bretonian reaction is diplomacy.

EDIT: Please, Xoria, don't insult one of most respectful people on Discovery i know like that. It's rude.

[Dab]

You know what I find surprising? That the only faction that has consistently and constantly maintained a presence in Magellan and Cortez for over a year found out about the LOLTreaty when it was posted as a fact, instead of being asked to provide prior perspective about something that has an enormous impact on its activities. You should interpret the silence as an expression of profound contempt for your lack of courtesy, consideration, respect, and conscientiousness.

I'd like to point out the fact that it was planned for weeks, publicly. IMG even made a point about having a representative there, and about 30 Lane Hackers showed up during the event because they knew where and when it was happening. More Lane Hackers showed up for that two hour event than log on throughout an entire day.

Discussed among yourselves, who are the primary beneficiaries. Not discussed on these forums where everyone else impacted has a chance to share your prior knowledge and provide input about how it impacts them.

How would you like it if the Corsairs planned a systematic invasion of Bretonia for weeks ahead of time, and then without any warning descended into every Bretonian system in force, overwhelming the unsuspecting BAF and shutting down all trade? You'd be crying for Admin intervention faster than a cat hits catnip. One of the factions involved in the Treaty of Curacao backed out of even considering participating in a planned event last summer because they weren't consulted prior to the offered invitation being extended. But they had no problem laying claim to another faction's territory to their own benefit and the other faction's loss. Hypocritical much? You bet.


This is all powergaming because all you have to do is write a fancy script and voila it's fact. You don't have to deal with any real world consequences. You don't have to actually win anything against a hostile opposition. You don't have to outmaneuver an opponent. You don't have to make any material sacrifices, or risk any loss, or even have to face the potential of failing. All you have to do is write a fancy script, and then smugly declare that you now deserve the benefits of what you did not have to work for in any meaningful way.

Garbage in a gold plated trash can still stinks.

Both of these instances are signs of a profound selfishness and disregard for everyone else who is impacted by these decisions. As such, they deserve no more respect than what you have shown towards everyone else : zero.

Xoria, plenty of oppertunities were given to plenty of people, everyone who was involved had a chance. More independent Lane Hackers showed up, RPd, and got involved in one way or another. The only absence was a response or involvement by LH. Furthermore, what you said was, in essence, an attack on RP. Do you think Spain asked the South Americans when they claimed the continent for themselves? Do you think England asked India if they wanted to become a British colony? No. You're countering someone's RP with an OORP verbal attack aimed at discrediting their efforts to RP on this server, when what you should be doing is focusing on using your own RP to counter theirs. Thats called Diplomacy in some cases, and attacks on the treaty-signing in the example you threw out.

Independent systems are there to buffer the houses.. Therefor, those who would be consulted in-RP about what they did would be the houses it links, and the lawfuls residing in that/those systems. Bretonia's government isn't about to ask if the Lane Hackers would mind it when they are pirates and Bretonia gets attacked by them all the time.

You had ample opportunity to object in-RP or out of RP on the forums for weeks. But no objection came, until now. Why?

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[Dieter Schprokets]

Enough Please.

This debate's intensity has long since surpassed the importance of the issue.

For the record, the people who run the Bretonian Government Quasi-faction have my full support. It is awesome RP.

LeMaitre especially does an awesome job, and I support his work.

The Orkney ban, especially this early in mod 4.85, was a blunder, but one which ended up having no real in-game consequences, because immediately once the overreach mistake was realized, steps were taken to backpedal it, all in RP.

However, In-RP, Bretonia is clearly sovereign over Orkney, as per the mod map, and infocard. The Mod sayeth so.

But now I ask as a show of good faith, and to facilitate negotiations, that the BAF presence in Orkney be reduced to an occasional patrolling force, and the pretense of an attempt to restrict access to the system be ended. This is to be RP'd as a memo from my character, to the Prime Minister, effectively saying "Back Off! I don't have the resources to control Orkney and fight the Kusari in Leeds!"

The presence of the BAF in Orkney will remain light, and no attempt made to restrict access, until LeMaitre finishes his negotiations, at which time our presence and role will be altered as befits the outcome of the in-RP negotiations. I don't expect, however, that BAF has the resources to fully lock it down, nor would that be politically expedient.

And I defend LeMaitre's performance on Curacao. It was out there, on the forums, in full view, for a long time, and was bloody good RP. The Orkney thing was rushed, but Curacao wasn't. A "LOLtreaty", it was certainly not. And the actual ingame impact on the unlawfuls in Magellan and Cortez has been "ungankful", regardless of any fears to the contrary.

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[Dieter Schprokets]

I also respectfully ask Igiss to close this thread, and start a new one about House Territories in general, since the Orkney issue (which hijacked this one) as far as I'm concerned, is resolved.

If I'm out of line asking for that, sorry. I am just sick to death of the Orkney thing.

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[swift]

I can say with assurance that everyone tries to control everything.
If someone can enforce that in RP and in the "real game" numbers, it can happen.
I can safely assume that everyone will try and cut themselves a piece of Orkney, and the Bretonia may try to do the same.
Doesn't mean they'll succeed. It is part of Bretonia, the House, but it does not have to have sovereignty there, just like with the Gaian system which is listed as a Bretonian one.

I look forward to the RP and fighting that will ensue in Orkney once things start to gain a little more pepper.

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[Friday]

Now this is all very interesting.

Can someone please provide links to the RP threads where the 'Reunion Treaty' was hammered out between Bretonia, IMG, Outcasts and a non-existant Council faction?

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[tazuras]

I could, as I just looked it up, but I'd like you to use the search feature instead. All I had to do was type in reunion and it was about 10 down, if you typed in reunion treaty you wouldnt even have to scroll that much!

Something about teaching a man to fish...

P.S. That is just the thread with the result, the actual negotiation was done in game and I was not there, sorry for being condescending if that's what you were looking for and couldn't find.

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[Friday]

What I find condescending is that these 'treaties' are being hammered out without any official Gallic factions yet to be established.

So who then is in charge of the Council? Who is it that I have to approach in order to open a diplomatic channel, or even say hello?

I was going to wait for such a faction to appear before approaching them with my ideas for roleplay. It seems I shall simply have to make it up as I go along, with whoever happens to declare themselves Council Master at the time...

The only 'official' Council statement I recognise is this declaration by Xoria.

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[Guest]

Friday, official factions arent exactly needed for Roleplay to occur. Anyone who plays an Independant character should know this.

Both talks with Bretonian diplomats and Kusarian diplomats, I have been at and theres supposed to be another talk with the Kusarian Diplomats sometime soon.

My apologies for giving people something to roleplay with.