ADMIN NOTICE: Player Sanctioned

[Virus]

Joseph.Raiken is being sanctioned for a report posted on March 15 for:

6.6 PvP combat is allowed only on roleplay basis. The pilot who is attacking must scan for an ID prior to the attack. Relying on general reputation status (red/neutral/green) without scanning for the ID is not allowed.

Non-RP attacks are considered PvP abuse and are sanctioned accordingly.
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6.2 Out of Roleplay (OORP):
In-game tag seen before the name must match the ID as closely as possible. It is not allowed to have the tag not match ID category. For example, it is prohibited to have 'Police' tag and 'Pirate' ID.

Equipment used must match tag and ID as closely as possible. For example, it is not allowed for Corsairs to use Outcast ships and guns.

All reputations should be in accordance with the faction followed, all enemies must be red, at least during the course of a player - player combat
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5.12 Sanctions for violating PvP rules include a credit/equipment fine (no less than 50 million credits), placing character inside the prison system, banning up to 7 days.
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6.24 Sanctions for violating ID rules and RP engagement rules are: credit/equipment fine, placing inside the prison system, ban for up to 30 days. Player may be warned for using inappropriate ID for a short period of time, and sanctions will not apply if the ID status will be fixed as soon as possible by the player him/herself.

You dock on Planet Pittsburgh, in a Rheinland vessel, after engaging the LPI (or you respawned there). Either way, you should not be on that planet using it as a staging ground. On top of that, you are neutral to most of Liberty's lawfuls.

Most importantly, you engaged LPI members without a word, apart from an announcement to everyone in general. That announcement is not RP basis for an attack. The point of the rule is to give everyone fair warning... You did not do that.

As such, I have taken the Liberty of moving you to Freeport 2. Your reputations will no longer allow you to dock on Liberty bases, and you have lost all of your weapons and armor. On a side note, I took 40 million off of your trader, as well.

http://discoverygc.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=34114

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[JosephRaiken]

I was just now sanctioned for OORP fighting. However I would like to dispute this.

I did say that I was enemies with the LPI and Capitalist Pigs, and what happened is this. I docked on Rochester. I then flew to Mahattan where I engaged LPI. I was then attacked and destroyed by LPI, I then flew to Pittsburg to leave my fighter there because I was supposed to not be in the system for 4 hours I logged off.

I feel that removing my newly aquired ship's equipment which took me hours to compile and removing 40 million off my trader was not necessary. I discussed with Toronto about the attack and he said in the future to be more clear in my intentions.

I was attacked twice and btw I was trying to FLEE Liberty from Pittsburg and later destroyed by LPI while escaping and was sent back to Pittsburg I could not leave. I was hunted down I had no choice but to respawn back there and worried about violating a rule I logged off that char leaving it there so I would not violate the 4 hour rule.

I was flying with a Freelancer ID, this does allow for the hunting of Lawfuls. The ship was a fighter, the guns were a mix of rheinland and BW guns. A collection many freelancers might use. I was within my RP.

Also Pittsburgh is a DSE base not a LPI,LSF, or LN base.

And when I UNDOCKED from Pittsburgh I attempted to flee I was attacked by a 22nd and a LPI and killed. I stayed dead for some time. I came back and tried to leave again and then was hunted down by like 7 LPI and then ganked by them. I then remained dead.

BOTH times after I was docked on Pittsburgh I did not engage LPI or any other Lawful forces. I was ENGAGED by them.


Raiken

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It is every citizens right to preserve their morals and their beliefs. However, it is every citizens DUTY to bring about equality.
Capitalism is based around taking advantage of the working class to increase profits. People like you and me are only a dollar sign to them. It is our duty to show these Capitalists what the true meaning of a revolution is, it is not just radicals fighting for change. It is the PEOPLE fighting for what is RIGHT, what is TRUE!

Marxism is the true and right ideal that we should all embrace. Communism is the process in which that ideal is accomplished. The people of Sirius just need pure leaders who will to the end remain incorruptible.
Are you one of those leaders?

[Virus]

I did say that I was enemies with the LPI and Capitalist Pigs, and what happened is this. I docked on Rochester. I then flew to Mahattan where I engaged LPI. I was then attacked and destroyed by LPI, I then flew to Pittsburg to leave my fighter there because I was supposed to not be in the system for 4 hours I logged off.

So you did exactly as I said in the sanction report? You announced to the system, but not to directly before engagement. Rochester is a fine docking point, why did you dock on a Libertonian planet after killing Libertonians?

I feel that removing my newly aquired ship's equipment which took me hours to compile and removing 40 million off my trader was not necessary. I discussed with Toronto about the attack and he said in the future to be more clear in my intentions.

Rule 6.6 states that attacking without role-play basis is considered PvP abuse.
Rule 5.12 state "Sanctions for violating PvP rules include a credit/equipment fine (no less than 50 million credits), placing character inside the prison system, banning up to 7 days." No less than 50 million credits. You did more than just break that one rule. Together your equipment and credits on your fighter did not come out to even 10 million credits.

I was attacked twice and btw I was trying to FLEE Liberty from Pittsburg and later destroyed by LPI while escaping and was sent back to Pittsburg I could not leave. I was hunted down I had no choice but to respawn back there and worried about violating a rule I logged off that char leaving it there so I would not violate the 4 hour rule.

Then you should report them to hindering your attempt to leave the system. Most will let you leave with a simple "// On my way out" message.

I was flying with a Freelancer ID, this does allow for the hunting of Lawfuls. The ship was a fighter, the guns were a mix of rheinland and BW guns. A collection many freelancers might use. I was within my RP.

You were not sanctioned for equipment violation. That rule is quoted for docking on a Liberty planet. However, using a Freelancer ID to blankly shoot down lawfuls without a contract is ID abuse, now that you mention your ID. Should I add that to the list?

Also Pittsburgh is a DSE base not a LPI,LSF, or LN base.

I am aware. DSE is a Libertonian company that would work in compliance with the Liberty police.

And when I UNDOCKED from Pittsburgh I attempted to flee I was attacked by a 22nd and a LPI and killed. I stayed dead for some time. I came back and tried to leave again and then was hunted down by like 7 LPI and then ganked by them. I then remained dead.

BOTH times after I was docked on Pittsburgh I did not engage LPI or any other Lawful forces. I was ENGAGED by them.
Raiken

As I said before, report them for hindering after telling them you are on your way out of the system. /l for local chat and //On my way out for a total of "/l // On my out." should get them off your back.




On a side note, for those posting here who are not involved with the sanction read this:
http://discoverygc.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=

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[JosephRaiken]

So you did exactly as I said in the sanction report? You announced to the system, but not to directly before engagement. Rochester is a fine docking point, why did you dock on a Libertonian planet after killing Libertonians?
Rule 6.6 states that attacking without role-play basis is considered PvP abuse.
Rule 5.12 state "Sanctions for violating PvP rules include a credit/equipment fine (no less than 50 million credits), placing character inside the prison system, banning up to 7 days." No less than 50 million credits. You did more than just break that one rule. Together your equipment and credits on your fighter did not come out to even 10 million credits.
Then you should report them to hindering your attempt to leave the system. Most will let you leave with a simple "// On my way out" message.
You were not sanctioned for equipment violation. That rule is quoted for docking on a Liberty planet. However, using a Freelancer ID to blankly shoot down lawfuls without a contract is ID abuse, now that you mention your ID. Should I add that to the list?
I am aware. DSE is a Libertonian company that would work in compliance with the Liberty police.

As I said before, report them for hindering after telling them you are on your way out of the system. /l for local chat and //On my way out for a total of "/l // On my out." should get them off your back.

On a side note, for those posting here who are not involved with the sanction read this:
http://discoverygc.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=

You say I attacked without RP purpose, this is wrong considering I announced clearly that I disliked and hated "Liberty Navies and the Capitalist pigs they are". I did not just blankly go up and shoot them. I was confronted about not announcing clearly, and I apologized and said I would make it clear next time. And after I died and respawned I wanted to avoid this very type of thing by docking on the closest planet and logging off so that I would not be penalized for being in the same system after 4 hours. I did not know these people, or if they would let me go after I killed one of them and they killed me. I assumed that it was the right thing to do. Just to get docked and log off for a couple of hours so that it would be okay for me to leave. And furthermore, many people dock on planets and since there are thousands if not tens of thousands of ships in the air and with traffic so heavy in industrial areas and with the event just taking place Pittsburgh would probably not receive word of who I was and if I was wanted till I was long gone. (Just to make the RP make sense)

I simply tried to avoid BREAKING rules by just docking and staying out of it. I am sorry if I did not make myself clear enough over general chat, thats what I had been seeing people doing so I did so too. Again, I talked to the LPI Officer (I believe in charge) about it and he said just make sure your clear enough next time. So if players can work things out about that doesnt that mean that issue is solved? Sorry if I am assuming too much here. I am relatively new.

Raiken

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It is every citizens right to preserve their morals and their beliefs. However, it is every citizens DUTY to bring about equality.
Capitalism is based around taking advantage of the working class to increase profits. People like you and me are only a dollar sign to them. It is our duty to show these Capitalists what the true meaning of a revolution is, it is not just radicals fighting for change. It is the PEOPLE fighting for what is RIGHT, what is TRUE!

Marxism is the true and right ideal that we should all embrace. Communism is the process in which that ideal is accomplished. The people of Sirius just need pure leaders who will to the end remain incorruptible.
Are you one of those leaders?

[Virus]

I quoted the wrong rule, it seems. Here is the one I meant:

6.21 Attacking without an engagement notice is not allowed. All attacks must be preceded with some form of RP, regardless of NPC faction diplomacy.


Now, going back over the evidence provided I have noticed a number of other smaller violations, below is what I believe is a complete list:

-Mixing Rheinland and Red Hessian weapons on a Wrath.
-Attacking Lawfuls without a contract with the Freelancer ID.
-Docking on a base that should be hostile (reputation abuse).
-Engaging without direct notification.

It seems you are confused about this last one, it requires that at the beginning of combat (as in directly before firing), you provide some sort of engagement notice to give fair warning to those in the area. Once combat has started, it is no longer necessary to tell each and every person that you are firing on them.


Regardless, the sanction no longer requires that I remove 50 million credits worth, just that I strip your ship. I will return the 40 million credits to your transport.




On a side note, I need to write two PMs, now.

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[JosephRaiken]

I quoted the wrong rule, it seems. Here is the one I meant:

6.21 Attacking without an engagement notice is not allowed. All attacks must be preceded with some form of RP, regardless of NPC faction diplomacy.
Now, going back over the evidence provided I have noticed a number of other smaller violations, below is what I believe is a complete list:

-Mixing Rheinland and Red Hessian weapons on a Wrath.
-Attacking Lawfuls without a contract with the Freelancer ID.
-Docking on a base that should be hostile (reputation abuse).
-Engaging without direct notification.

It seems you are confused about this last one, it requires that at the beginning of combat (as in directly before firing), you provide some sort of engagement notice to give fair warning to those in the area. Once combat has started, it is no longer necessary to tell each and every person that you are firing on them.
Regardless, the sanction no longer requires that I remove 50 million credits worth, just that I strip your ship. I will return the 40 million credits to your transport.
On a side note, I need to write two PMs, now.

Okay that makes a little more sense, yea and my bad on the wep mix forgot to replace that darn turret.
I guess I also did not fully understand the Freelancer ID, I thought that it meant you could do what you like as long as you did not violate what was on the ID card. (Probably should add "Can hunt pirates and lawfuls with contract" to the card) And I did not realize that to attack one faction of lawfuls you had to be hostile with all those Houses' factions. And I understand the direct notification so I need to say "Die Capitalist scum!" when I am about to attack?

Well I learned something out of this, plus gave the LPI something to do and from what I saw everyone had fun. Also helps me figure out my RP a little better. (Splendid chase there LPI).

Thank you Virus,

Raiken

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It is every citizens right to preserve their morals and their beliefs. However, it is every citizens DUTY to bring about equality.
Capitalism is based around taking advantage of the working class to increase profits. People like you and me are only a dollar sign to them. It is our duty to show these Capitalists what the true meaning of a revolution is, it is not just radicals fighting for change. It is the PEOPLE fighting for what is RIGHT, what is TRUE!

Marxism is the true and right ideal that we should all embrace. Communism is the process in which that ideal is accomplished. The people of Sirius just need pure leaders who will to the end remain incorruptible.
Are you one of those leaders?

[Virus]

Okay that makes a little more sense, yea and my bad on the wep mix forgot to replace that darn turret.
I guess I also did not fully understand the Freelancer ID, I thought that it meant you could do what you like as long as you did not violate what was on the ID card. (Probably should add "Can hunt pirates and lawfuls with contract" to the card) And I did not realize that to attack one faction of lawfuls you had to be hostile with all those Houses' factions. And I understand the direct notification so I need to say "Die Capitalist scum!" when I am about to attack?

Well I learned something out of this, plus gave the LPI something to do and from what I saw everyone had fun. Also helps me figure out my RP a little better. (Splendid chase there LPI).

Thank you Virus,

Raiken

Good point about the ID, I think it is implied but not implicitly stated. I will have to see that it is changed.

Direct notification is needed, yes.

Hopefully we won't have you cross our collective desks again.

Good flying,

Virus.

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