Superior Phantom ships/weapons

[bluntpencil2001]

Hi Blunt:)
Sure, if you really want the SCRA's weapons to be fairy dust, well... ok?

But seriously, perspective here - no one is asking for Admin cannons.

:D

I know, I know, but even a little bit of a boost would have folk bitching about it, really. I'd rather people said 'that was fun' if I beat them instead of 'you only won because of uberguns'.

There's also the vice versa of 'haha I pwn you in spite of uber guns' instead of 'that was fun' too.

Instead of making them special in stats, making them have special visuals and sound effects would be cooler I think. (Do Phantom guns have special effects just now? Not seen them.)

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[Saigo.Watanabe]

T be perfectly honest... I couldn't give a damn if certain factions have better kit, so long as there is roleplay precedent for it being better...

for example:

Nomads...

They are known to be bred/grown to keep sirius safe from intrustion by the kind of race that can construct dyson spheres and biologically engineer sentient hive-mind beings... Of course they're gunna kick a lot of ass.

Equally, the phantoms. They are an arm of the Ctan empire, a massively technologically advanced race, who supply limited tech to the Phantoms themselves. This is done in measure to ensure they're not too out of place, and fit roughly with their surrounding. But none the less they will have a battlefeild advantage IN ROLEPLAY.

With this in mind I see no reason why certain groups can't have marginally better weapons and so on. So long as they are regarded as special factions and as heavily roleplayed as the nomads and phantoms are.

The Coalition should have pretty nifty tech as well IMO, if only to increase the fear factor when they appear. People should be afraid of these groups, and giving them an advantage helps with that. The Keepers, Phantoms and SCRA are players much like everyone else. They have awesome pilots, and they have weak pilots, like every faction on the server, but all three should be feared.

I would have to go along with everything that is said there.

Something i want to add on aswell:
Sure being outnumbered isn't an excuse.
But in that case neither is being experianced and good pilots then.

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[bluntpencil2001]

Heh, maybe it's ego on my part, but I'd rather folk feared the pilots as opposed to the guns.

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[Primus Avatar]

Instead of making them special in stats, making them have special visuals and sound effects would be cooler I think.

/signed

The thing I like mostly about the AI VHF:)


but seriously... what's a 20% boost? If they take it they automatically admit that they don't have the skill to keep up. (despite the rumors that ALL of them are pro pilots :dry:)

And lacking skill to get out alive when ganged 6v1 is nothing unnatural.

But what you said.... if they get the boost i want the same for the harvesters.:ylove:


Edit: we even have Dom Kavash level of weaponry. that's even better xD

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wassup

[Xing]

I always wanted machine-gun sounds for coalition guns. A bit modified to make them sound high tech. But, yeah.

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[Laowai]

:D

I know, I know, but even a little bit of a boost would have folk bitching about it, really. I'd rather people said 'that was fun' if I beat them instead of 'you only won because of uberguns'.

There's also the vice versa of 'haha I pwn you in spite of uber guns' instead of 'that was fun' too.

Blunt in this post you underline my main point.

I'd rather have people say "Curse you phantom next time there will be a reckoning!!!." The win or the loss should be irrelevant unless its a scripted Role Play event. This is a Role Play server, what's valued here is Role play. The response to being killed by someone with better weapons than you should be a role play response, not a 15 page whinge on the forums because someone's ego got bruised, with a subsequent nit picking of weapon values that when you get down to it are minor at best.

Id rather let decent Role Play be the judging factor than bitching over who lost a 0's and 1's tiff.

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[bluntpencil2001]

It isn't just that, though.

If Phantoms have better guns in RP, why don't the Corsairs, the Order, LSF, et cetera et cetera?

There are plenty of decent arguments for various factions to be better armed. Hell, the Phantoms only have one base, whereas the Corsairs, for instance, are apparently masters of building fighters.

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[Laowai]

It isn't just that, though.

If Phantoms have better guns in RP, why don't the Corsairs, the Order, LSF, et cetera et cetera?

There are plenty of decent arguments for various factions to be better armed. Hell, the Phantoms only have one base, whereas the Corsairs, for instance, are apparently masters of building fighters.

Because they don't? You're getting sidetracked here by missing the wider issue (as i see it). However, going down that track, ive personally never been a fan of "universal Balance" anyway, nothing is balanced in the world, some things have advantages over others, i have no problem with that in disco either, if its part of the Role play set down in lore for that faction. Constructing a clever legalistic argument for why a faction "could" have better guns after the fact is irrelevant - with vanilla factions, this is easy, go with whats written and known. With imported factions, these things undergo an approval process anyway.

My point is as i said, responses to all these things should be Role played in game - Personally, there is way too much an emphasis on PVP with its associated whining, complaining and competative ego stroking on this server at the moment and it's tipped the balance of what should be the priority here; which is Role Play.

If you have come here to win PVP fights, if your main concerns here are overridingly pvp centered (that includes gun balance, ship abilities, weapon types etc), (and you're not on the Dev team), if the higher percentage of your posts on the forums are concerning pvp or weapons load outs and yes, if you have come on here complaining that you lost a fight in game due to some perceived outrageous advantage that someone may or may not have over you - then i put it to you that your priorities here are skewed and a step back and a look around might be in order.
By all means, be competitive- arm your ships so that you can handle the NPC's and have a moderate chance against other humans, there is no issue with this. But at the risk of sounding like a broken record - this is a Role Play server - PVP exists to service Role Play - Role Play does not exist to service PVP.


I would counsel everyone who has complained about a weapon loadout to go in game - right now - and deliberately lose every single fight you get into - lose them all - fire to miss, sit still, whatever, you will see that really, it doesnt make anyone "better" than you because you lost. More importantly, while this is happening, have your chat screens open and Role Play the entire thing.

My Kudos goes to the players who can do this and not complain - not to the player who killed you. So what? you got a blue killed message - if thats what you need to gratify you're ego your really in trouble.

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[Zelot]

Because they don't? You're getting sidetracked here by missing the wider issue (as i see it). However, going down that track, ive personally never been a fan of "universal Balance" anyway, nothing is balanced in the world, some things have advantages over others, i have no problem with that in disco either, if its part of the Role play set down in lore for that faction. Constructing a clever legalistic argument for why a faction "could" have better guns after the fact is irrelevant - with vanilla factions, this is easy, go with whats written and known. With imported factions, these things undergo an approval process anyway.

My point is as i said, responses to all these things should be Role played in game - Personally, there is way too much an emphasis on PVP with its associated whining, complaining and competative ego stroking on this server at the moment and it's tipped the balance of what should be the priority here; which is Role Play.

If you have come here to win PVP fights, if your main concerns here are overridingly pvp centered (that includes gun balance, ship abilities, weapon types etc), if the higher percentage of your posts on the forums are concerning pvp or weapons load outs and yes, if you have come on here complaining that you lost a fight in game due to some perceived outrageous advantage that someone may or may not have over you - then i put it to you that you're priorities here are skewed and a step back and a look around might be in order.
By all means, be competitive- arm your ships so that you can handle the NPC's and have a moderate chance against other humans, there is no issue with this. But at the risk of sounding like a broken record - this is a Role Play server - PVP exists to service Role Play - Role Play does not exist to service PVP.


I would counsel everyone who has complained about a weapon loadout to go in game - right now - and deliberately lose every single fight you get into - lose them all - fire to miss, sit still, whatever, you will see that really, it doesnt make anyone "better" than you because you lost. More importantly, while this is happening, have your chat screens open and Role Play the entire thing.

My Kudos goes to the players who can do this and not complain - not to the player who killed you. So what, you got a blue killed message - if thats what you need to gratify you're ego you're really in trouble.

Ben, I think I love you.

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[bluntpencil2001]

I would counsel everyone who has complained about a weapon loadout to go in game - right now - and deliberately lose every single fight you get into

Very Fight Club.:D

Still, I think that whilst pure balance may be unrealistic, if an approval only faction gets a boost, whereas those like the Corsairs and LSF don't, it's not realistic either. If Phantoms get uber technology (which they don't seem to be getting... they could actually use a shield buster boost right now), it would have me asking why the RM and Order don't get uber tech, since they did have cloaks after all...

Of course, when non-approval factions, like Corsairs, LSF, whatever, get a boost, that only increases the instances of lolwutting in those factions, ruining it for everyone.

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