Artisan Farmers Alliance Feedback

[bluntpencil2001]

Then why don't your Bretonian privateers do the same thing? I know your guys are BAF but in real life a privateer is not in the military. (Not trying to debate whether or not you can be privateers).

Anyone can be a privateer whether for monetary gains, patriotism, or whatever their reason. Not everyone has to join the Military to be involved.

So at the moment the AFA are acting as privateers, why is this so complicated?

Because the Farmer's Alliance are as described above by Drake. They aren't Privateers. They're terrorists.

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[Zelot]

I have always viewed the AFA as more of a militia than anything else. The history of Militias is long and occurs all over the world. The first recored Militia was in the bible.

The term militia is commonly used today to refer to a military force composed of ordinary citizens[1] to provide defense, emergency law enforcement, or paramilitary service, in times of emergency without being paid a regular salary or committed to a fixed term of service.

In modern Iraq, most major political groups have their own militia to defend and prosecute the interests of that political group.



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Several armed militia groups are presently active in Iraq. The [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mehdi_Army]Mehdi Army is a sectarian armed force created by the Iraqi Shi'a cleric Muqtada al-Sadr in June 2003. The Badr armed force is based in and around Karbala. The Anbar Salvation Council is a Sunni armed group in Iraq formed by members of baathist and nationalist elements to fight Al-Qaeda in Iraq. The Kurdish militia, the peshmerga, is estimated to number upwards of 50,000.The Awakening Councils or "concerned citizens" are emerging to defend their neighborhoods against insurgents of every kind, functioning as a form of vigilante "militia" similar to the model of militia in the U.S..[13

In Iraq, the government and members of the government are so beholden to many political interests, that one of the biggest problem for the new Iraqi government has been to gain enough support to disarm the militias. Which by the way, it hasn't been able to do, even though the Iraqi Constitution has declared militias illegal. This is the model I find closest to how I see Kusari, with the AFA being a Militia, backed by Samura, who has enough sway in the government to make it hard for the government to take steps against them. This leaves the AFA, as a private non-governmental para-military force.

A private, non-government force, not necessarily directly supported or sanctioned by its government.

So to your question Blunt

I think my opinion here is that if they're overcome by patriotism (which is fair), that they'd enlist in the KNF.

Why would any of the millions of solders who chose to serve in militia's rather than regular forces do that? It may be a fair question of the personal motives of a particular member, it does not de-legitimize the rp. I will also tell you most AFA members have a particular reason why they joined up with the Farmers and not the KNF.

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[Zelot]

Because the Farmer's Alliance are as described above by Drake. They aren't Privateers. They're terrorists.

I would also appreciate if people stopped telling the AFA what we are supposed to be. We are not terrorists. You wanna know why? Because we are not allowed to play that role by server rules. I have done my best to develop a faction that connects with the NPC vanilla faction, while having it be dynamic to develop along with the discovery story line. As much as the rest of you dont want to have to be exactly like your npc faction, I would appreciate the same flexibility. I am amazed that these criticisms come from a faction that had to file a special rp request because they were SOOO different from their npc faction. Why is it now you want to stop other people from having the freedom to develop a faction that is consistant with the NPC faction, while being able to keep it fun, and current with the discovery timeline?

edit: sorry, automerge didnt work

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[bluntpencil2001]

None of these examples seem to be involved in invading foreign countries.

I imagine that members of such groups, much like members of the UDA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulster_Defence_Association), would sign up for the real military if they wanted involved in such actions.

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[bluntpencil2001]

I would also appreciate if people stopped telling the AFA what we are supposed to be. We are not terrorists. You wanna know why? Because we are not allowed to play that role by server rules.

Demand cargo and demand that roundeye leave Kusari instead of asking for money then.

There are ways to force the rules to work in favour of your RP.

And, according to Freelancer, the Farmer's Alliance are terrorists. Just because you run the player faction doesn't mean you can alter that.

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[Zelot]

None of these examples seem to be involved in invading foreign countries.

I imagine that members of such groups, much like members of the UDA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulster_Defence_Association), would sign up for the real military if they wanted involved in such actions.

Just because you think something, does not make it true, nor does it make it false, it's what you think, and whether to join a militia over a regular force depends on what someone thinks.



Here are two British Militas that have seen service in foreign wars

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Monmout...Royal_Engineers

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atholl_Highlanders

British Colonial Militias(American) were used offensively in the French and Indian War

The Janjweed in Sudan are a Militia used offensively against rebels

Sri Lanka has also in it's history employed militias when attacking nearby Islands.

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[bluntpencil2001]

Royal Monmouthshires are TA... that's actual military. The Atholls are mercenaries who have never seen action. Some of its members fought in the World Wars. As members of the British Army.

"Although the regiment has never seen action, many of its number served with The Scottish Horse, the yeomanry regiment of Perthshire in the First and Second World Wars."

I quote the wikipedia article on the Janjaweed...

"By early 2006, many Janjaweed had been absorbed into the Sudan Armed Forces including the Popular Defence Forces and Border Guards. Meanwhile, the Janjaweed expanded to include some Arabic-speaking tribes in eastern Darfur, not historically associated with the original Janjaweed. Chadian Arabs were also increasingly active in seeking to reestablish a political base in Chad, as part of the Unified Forces for a Democratic Change (FUC) coalition."

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[Zelot]

And, according to Freelancer, the Farmer's Alliance are terrorists. Just because you run the player faction doesn't mean you can alter that.

And according to Freelancer the BAF are a military, that by the way is stuck back in Bretonia, not in Kusari, and does not pirate. So I guess we can both just pack up our factions.

Secondly, your report says the Janjweed merged with the Sudanese Military in 2006, does that mean they werent a milita before that?

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[bluntpencil2001]

And according to Freelancer the BAF are a military, that by the way is stuck back in Bretonia, not in Kusari, and does not pirate. So I guess we can both just pack up our factions.



Secondly, your report says the Janjweed merged with the Sudanese Military in 2006, does that mean they werent a milita before that?

ID says Privateer, not BAF.

It means that in order to act like the military, they joined it.

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[ugliestmoose]

And, according to Freelancer, the Farmer's Alliance are terrorists. Just because you run the player faction doesn't mean you can alter that.

Isn't that a bit unfair to the AFA, considering that tons of player factions (Privateers included) don't exist in the original Freelancer at all?