Rp Background and Reasons

[Turkish]

So far as I can tell the AFA are using indirect and expanded view of the relationships within the sector to justify their actions in Bretonia.

Fair point, if this was an issue for people why hasn't anyone complained to date?

Take into consideration the perspective of the hyper nationalist movements of Kusari, and the expanded nature of the AFA.

Bretonia is currently the direct Enemy of Kusari, its opposition and rivalry as a dominant power within the sector has been building to this point for a very long time. Bretonia currently represents the last bastion of traditional agricultural production in the sector, Synth has taken hold of both Liberty and Rheinland, and is encroaching on Kusari now even.

With the expansion of the Empire into Northern Leeds it gives the AFA an asset to safeguard and stage offensive anti-corporate militant actions with the pretense of securing Kusari ideals. Those ideals mean the prevention of the expansion of SynthFoods into their territories.

Last I checked, Kusari has annexed the Norther quadrants of Leeds. From the perspective of a nationalistic Kusari militant I would call Leeds Imperial territory. If Leeds is then from that perspective a controlled portion of the Empire, then the AFA do infact have plausible justification to operate there.

Point two is that Bretonia and Kusari are at war, the AFA operates in the bests interests of the Kusari people as they see fit. They are a well trained and maintained paramilitary organisation. You're asking them to ignore a prominent and readily apparent threat to their homeland.

By interdicting and assault enemy supply lines they would be acting as a tangible deterrent to Bretonia's military operations within and surrounding what they would perceive as their sovereign territory acquired through honourable battle by their nation's forces. Through this they would be well employed to target what they would see as the most vital lifeline to the enemy that is seeking to hinder and assail their homeland.

The more weakened Bretonia exists as the stronger Kusari will reign, the stronger Kusari reigns the more prosperous that reign will be. Its through that sort of thinking that you can easily find justification for actions of this nature. Its all about safeguarding ones home, and securing its dominance and supremacy.

If Bretonia were to win this war then Kusari would lose, if Kusari loses so do the AFA, and from their view that means everyone loses to SynthFoods. So not only are they safeguarding their homes, they're also safeguarding the resources that could potentially be exploited by Synth and used for the further corruption of their people.

Its a matter of consider the ultimate and long term effects of the actions taken now and in past. This isn't restricted to one matter resulting with one end, everything is interrelated and as such reflects and influences each other.

Why is it so hard to understand that a nationalist militant group would be operating in what they would define as the best interests of their people within space controlled by their people and slightly beyond?

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I have a fetish for all things Norse.

[Dusty Lens]

What Kusari needs to complete its stranglehold on Bretonia is a third party that doesn't have to worry about political backlash. A third party with the funding and training to weave past the BAF, do some damage, and run away before overwhelming force comes after them (and on home ground, overwhelming force is not hard to come by). A third party that can be blamed and ostracized openly by its employers without faltering in their loyalty.

Basically, a third party like the Farmer's Alliance- or at least part of it.

The greatest plothole in the theory is the dualism being brought to the table in regards to the FA. They're being tauted as a known organization within Kusari space that operates with the implied blessing of the Emperor, rather they're not hunted down for their transgressions against incoming trade.

So if they're a public face there's very little room for them to be romping about Bretonia acting as death squads against civilian targets without suffering that same political backlash.

[beander2]

I'm going to turn over and play Devil's Advocate here...

You can be both nationalist and expansionist. The National Socialists fitted into this mold, historically.

I'm not convinced that the National Socialists and those who sought expansion beyond what were considered traditional Germanic lands were on the same page. There are different types of nationalism, including that used instrumentally, i.e., for ends other than the nation itself (such as the personal aggrandizement of nationalist or state elites). I imagine the National Socialists contained various types.

In any event, what I said is the norm, and I don't see FA/AFA at all falling into the instrumentalist category. The Nazis aren't really applicable here.

Now, so as to avoid becoming what I criticised in my last post, I'm going to bed.

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Sir Alisdair Buchanan, KBE ~ Gateway)Trafalgar

[beander2]

Nice post, Thank you. The problem in this area is that while we call Kusari an Empire, and that is the propaganda of it (Much like the United States is often refereed to as a democracy, when in fact it is a constitutional Republic.) Kusari is no more an Empire than Bretonia, Liberty or Rhienland. As to how a nationalist motivation fits in, the AFA will blindly follow the will of the Emperor, being the symbol of that nationalist fervor. The Emperor has declared Bretonia an enemy of Kusari, and a threat to it's cultural integrity, and asked the AFA to help the "Empire" in a way uniquely suited to them, as what they have mainly done in Kusari is interdiction of trade, the same thing they are being asked to do here. I hope that at least in part answers your question.

In part, yes. But I always thought of FA/AFA as primarily cultural nationalists. I really do think something additional in that area would help solidify the RP, and, frankly, make things more interesting.

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Sir Alisdair Buchanan, KBE ~ Gateway)Trafalgar

[Zelot]

The greatest plothole in the theory is the dualism being brought to the table in regards to the FA. They're being tauted as a known organization within Kusari space that operates with the implied blessing of the Emperor, rather they're not hunted down for their transgressions against incoming trade.

So if they're a public face there's very little room for them to be romping about Bretonia acting as death squads against civilian targets without suffering that same political backlash.

But they are not the KNF, and the KNF has no control over thier actions, thats sort of the point.

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[bluntpencil2001]

HUGE POST

Most points here were previously addressed. If individual Farmers are concerned about expanding the Empire (outwith the Alliance's remit of shooting up foreign traders), the KNF are recruiting, and would likely welcome experienced pilots. Also, even if Leeds is an 'Imperial Territory' (Not true, it's a warzone.), there are no farms there. Kyushu is the Farmer's Alliance's main concern.

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[Zelot]

Most points here were previously addressed. If individual Farmers are concerned about expanding the Empire (outwith the Alliance's remit of shooting up foreign traders), the KNF are recruiting, and would likely welcome experienced pilots. Also, even if Leeds is an 'Imperial Territory' (Not true, it's a warzone.), there are no farms there. Kyushu is the Farmer's Alliance's main concern.

[font=Times][size=small]Now, I will rationaly discuss any civil questions that are asked, but if your post is going to contain "Join the KNF" or "Your not doing what your NPC's do" I will not be responding

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[bluntpencil2001]

But they are not the KNF, and the KNF has no control over thier actions, thats sort of the point.

Then why base off KNF bases?

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[Dusty Lens]

But they are not the KNF, and the KNF has no control over thier actions, thats sort of the point.

The point was Kusari not playing host to forces supported in the region who are murdering people.

[Turkish]

Most points here were previously addressed. If individual Farmers are concerned about expanding the Empire, the KNF are recruiting, and would likely welcome experienced pilots. Also, even if Leeds is an 'Imperial Territory' (Not true, it's a warzone.), there are no farms there. Kyushu is the Farmer's Alliance's main concern.

What does it matter if they've been addressed before if they remain valid?

It also doesn't matter whether Leeds actually exists as an Imperial territory or a warzone, it matters what people perceive it as. The perceptions of your soldiers is key to continued diligence and high moral within a military.

Keeping faith in your power.

The AFA operate uniquely and independently of the KNF, why would they abandon their charge as members of this sect of the FA to take on a different stance and role?

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I have a fetish for all things Norse.