Sovereign, this is the second thread in which I find you stating my exact thoughts, thank you.
Dead Shot... let us for the sake of the argument alone assume that your "But it's from Latin, so it works differently!" argument checks out. Easy enough to counter, but we have bigger fish to fry here - *how* does *any* of this make the word "Hispanic" a racial slur you make it out to be? If I called you, say, a Canadian, would you take offence to that, or just correct me? How about if I called you a Czech? Who decides?
' Wrote:There are two "Hispania" factions in this blasted game. Pick something that suits Corsairs better.
' Wrote:Boy, did you just open a big can of worms...
Perhaps that means that the HAF are actually working for the Outcasts? After all, it was only those people that took to the escape pods (and ran out on their brothers like cowards) that became the Corsair nation. The ones that stuck it out ON the Hispania are now the Outcasts...
' Wrote:The hell with their grammar, what I want to know is why a Corsair faction is calling itself the Hispan(choose one: ian, ia, ic, oid, your mom) Armed Forces when in fact they abandoned the Sleeper Ship Hispania and stole all her shuttlecraft...
' Wrote:Oh, I placed it in ''General discussions'' section and not the role playing hub. So, save your whatever-it-is-you-want-to-say about HAF RP-wise for another thread. Feel free to make one of your own. It's not that hard.
Uh you should know that the RP hub -isn't- for discussing RP, it's FOR roleplaying itself. The general discussion is where people talk about various things on the server, the roleplaying hub is for actual roleplaying, not discussing it...
dead_shot, your attitude seems to be one of intense hostility towards -anyone- who so much as mislays a single letter of anything.
This is, quite frankly, absurd. Both the Outcasts and Corsairs are Hispanic groups, and if you check a dictionary, 'Hispanic' is listed as "Hispanic (hi-spān'ik)
adj.
1. Of or relating to Spain or Spanish-speaking Latin America.
2. Of or relating to a Spanish-speaking people or culture.
n.
1. A Spanish-speaking person.
2. A U.S. citizen or resident of Latin-American or Spanish descent."
[Latin Hispanicus, from Hispania, Spain.]
Quote:Dictionary.com Usage Note: Though often used interchangeably in American English, Hispanic and Latino are not identical terms, and in certain contexts the choice between them can be significant. Hispanic, from the Latin word for "Spain," has the broader reference, potentially encompassing all Spanish-speaking peoples in both hemispheres and emphasizing the common denominator of language among communities that sometimes have little else in common. Latino—which in Spanish means "Latin" but which as an English word is probably a shortening of the Spanish word latinoamericano—refers more exclusively to persons or communities of Latin American origin. Of the two, only Hispanic can be used in referring to Spain and its history and culture; a native of Spain residing in the United States is a Hispanic, not a Latino, and one cannot substitute Latino in the phrase the Hispanic influence on native Mexican cultures without garbling the meaning. In practice, however, this distinction is of little significance when referring to residents of the United States, most of whom are of Latin American origin and can theoretically be called by either word. A more important distinction concerns the sociopolitical rift that has opened between Latino and Hispanic in American usage. For a certain segment of the Spanish-speaking population, Latino is a term of ethnic pride and Hispanic a label that borders on the offensive. According to this view, Hispanic lacks the authenticity and cultural resonance of Latino, with its Spanish sound and its ability to show the feminine form Latina when used of women. Furthermore, Hispanic—the term used by the U.S. Census Bureau and other government agencies—is said to bear the stamp of an Anglo establishment far removed from the concerns of the Spanish-speaking community. While these views are strongly held by some, they are by no means universal, and the division in usage seems as related to geography as it is to politics, with Latino widely preferred in California and Hispanic the more usual term in Florida and Texas. Even in these regions, however, usage is often mixed, and it is not uncommon to find both terms used by the same writer or speaker. See Usage Note at Chicano.
'Hispanic' is NOT a racial slur! It never was, and isn't now. What is, and I find ridiculous, since it's just an abbreviated version for rapidity of speech, is 'spic'.
Were I to walk up to a Hispanic/Latino person around my city, and call them that, I could expect to, depending on the person, A) Get cussed out, B) Ignored, C) Knifed.
'Hispanic', on the other hand, is met with indifference from any of those. They don't care because it isn't a racial slur.
What you propose in your first post,
' Wrote:An faction being called Hispanic would be the same as if was called Ebonic, either Asian i.e. there would be a great deal of racial nature in the name and I myself wouldn't ever joined such faction.
is completely wrong. First off, Ebonic [Wikipedia.org] is a term that
Quote:was originally intended and sometimes used for the language of all people of African ancestry, or for that of Black North American and West African people, emphasizing the African roots of the former; since 1996 it has been largely used to refer to African American Vernacular English (distinctively nonstandard Black United States English), asserting the independence of the latter from (standard) English.
Today though, its meaning has changed to the pidgin English spoken by, and this is not my choice of word here, "niggers".
Getting upset over being called Hispanic (IC) is like me getting upset because someone in-game calls my LPI a donutmuncher. Which they do. All the time. And I don't get upset.
/endrant
Zealot Wrote:Just go play the game and have fun dammit.
Treewyrm Wrote:all in all the conclusion is that disco doesn't need antagonist factions, it doesn't need phantoms, it doesn't need nomads, it doesn't need coalition and it doesn't need many other things, no AIs, the game is hijacked by morons to confuse the game with their dickwaving generic competition games mixed up with troll-of-the-day.
According to you having an Hispanic bus, Hispanic school, Hispanic hospital has no racial slur in it?
I am not of a Hispanic origin, not even close. I just happen to speak that language (as few others) and understand the culture - and above all happen to have quite an developed sensitivity for those issues.
Once more, although I could swear I clarified it in several posts before:
Well, that's news to me...I would have defined anything coming from Spain/Spanish-influenced (yes, I would call it Hispanic) culture as being "Hispanic", be it an item, a concept or a person...if this is viewed as being racist, that's new to me...and I thought I already knew most of the racial slurs used over here (England)...
The 'N-Bomb', used in quotes, with a disclaimer, as an example.
I have a Flame Warrior for this somewhere, too, let me find it...
You seem to be suffering from an acute eye condition that forces your corneas to warp and distort any kind of textual information that does not explicitly agree with what you already know...
Quote:Quick comment - we thought that Panzer was the Leader, Swift. -Agmen
' Wrote:According to you having an Hispanic bus, Hispanic school, Hispanic hospital has no racial slur in it?
I am not of a Hispanic origin, not even close. I just happen to speak that language (as few others) and understand the culture - and above all happen to have quite an developed sensitivity for those issues.
Once more, although I could swear I clarified it in several posts before:
Hispanic Faction, Hispanic buses, Hispanic hospitals - NOT COOL
(not to mention the n-bomb you dropped there)
All three of your examples do not exist. Never have. "Of the Spanish bus" is just...ridiculous.
Nor am I. I also speak Spanish to some extent.
Once again...Get over it.
Whatever.
Don't exist
I clearly stated it was not my choice of word. I placed it in quotes, and oddly enough, it's usually NOT the African-Americans (blacks, whatever. I -really- am not a politically correct personage) who are offended by it. 90+% of the time it's the bloody ALCU (A Lot of Cussed Upstarts) getting their noses brown in someone else's business.
As might be noticed from my posts, I am -completely- right-wing conservative with no tolerance for far-left sycophantic behavior.
EDIT: Referencing Eppy's post, I'm a Big Cat. Pet at your own risk.
Zealot Wrote:Just go play the game and have fun dammit.
Treewyrm Wrote:all in all the conclusion is that disco doesn't need antagonist factions, it doesn't need phantoms, it doesn't need nomads, it doesn't need coalition and it doesn't need many other things, no AIs, the game is hijacked by morons to confuse the game with their dickwaving generic competition games mixed up with troll-of-the-day.
There are several levels of racism, some of it is almost innocent (as one Afro-American friend of mine says:''Dunno what pisses me off more - people that come forward and spit in my face or those that come to me and say 'I understand YOU PEOPLE, I know that you suffered a lot) and some of it is quite malignant and omnipresent.
Point is that it all begins with discrimination, positive or negative one.
Having race-based institutions (and an faction is an institution in Sirius) would eventually lead to discrimination and that could lead to a lot of trouble. As long as it's RP-wise that's fine but when somebody is throwing quite personal insults at you and then follows with something like that - how can you tell the difference?
In the original game everybody are talking accent-free English. We took it to higher level by throwing in accents and names and all sorts of folklore in order to give it more charm and make it more interesting.
I fully agree there's nothing offensive in that. Not once have I said that there is something wrong with that I just wanted make sure everybody got the faction name right.
P.S. As of yesterday I erased all of my HAF chars due to personal reasons, so I am not longer entitled to discuss about this. With this post I'd like to sign off this topic and get back to having good fun. That is all this game is about, is it not now?
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