All you traders read this ....

[Zeonlight]

I met plenty of situations on both sides.

When I'm pirating I always tend to RP, i usually say something about the ship or the cargo, and sometimes i negociate with them about the tax, and how much does he make on that route, I don't know all the prices for all the commodities, but i know enough. I hate it when the first thing they'll do it's tart their cruise engines, thenI tend to be a mean pirate, and the further you take me from my place, the more the fine raises. Most of the time i tend to tax from 500k to 1 mil depends on the cargo, but if you make chase ou and afterwards thinking of paying, i also apply to the 30 seconds rule. You just have to be nice and cooperate.

On the other hand, when I'm trading I sometimes, stay and RP, sometimes try to escape(once i fled from 4 pirates in california 1 GB and 3 VHF, and they followed me until we were destroyed for being outside of the system or something like that:D), sometimes i exit the lane before i reach pirates and TRY to escape but mostly i wait for them to "make their offer", if it's over 2 mil don't think so, if it's worth more than the cargo, I don't think so, if you catch right after i bought the cargo and you ask a price double or triple, I really don't think so.

Seems like everyone has it's own way of handling the situations.

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[hack]

If a trader is happy when you leave something is wrong. But let me put this in perspective. In a highly populated area the 20 second rule is my method. It didn't start out this way though. It only took one time for a guy to call for the LN to help him in between his RP. Now that pissed ME off. Fool me once..... Now if I catch someone in the middle of no where ... I'll definitely see if they can talk their way out of it. I've just found this is the most efficient way to both enjoy RP and complete my objectives. RP in a trade lane with a trader then getting stopped or killed by the military/police. Only then to have the trader send you money for RPing well with him? That to me, is a very very stupid ending.

So let me get this straight....

Traders aren't supposed to try and get away...

Traders aren't supposed to fight back..

Traders aren't supposed to call the Police/Military when they are in trouble?

Traders are supposed to sit still while you pew pew them to death?

wow... what a wonderful fantasy world you have created......

5 seconds to comply and 20 seconds to send money... sounds like a prelude to a kill

So, what Jakesg said.

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Formerly known as LPI Police Chief Hull O'Brien.
Creator of Sgt. V. Price, 207th Precinct out of Chula Vista Station

[guitarguy]

Here's how I pirate (quite successfully too)

1) Personally, I prefer to pirate in the edge worlds. If you pirate in house space you should expect police or military to attack you, in my opinion.

2) I never demand more than one million, less depending on the cargo and size of transport.

3) Justify your piracy. In my Hessian, I talk about how the oppressed need money and the big corporations owe it to the little guy to share the wealth.

4) I find that more than a few traders will be willing to sit and RP with you if you don't go crazy and knock off their shields and 99% of their hull.

5) Only pew-pew if the trader hasn't cooperated after a few minutes.

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[blckvec]

So let me get this straight....

Traders aren't supposed to try and get away...

Traders aren't supposed to fight back..

Traders aren't supposed to call the Police/Military when they are in trouble?

Traders are supposed to sit still while you pew pew them to death?

wow... what a wonderful fantasy world you have created......

5 seconds to comply and 20 seconds to send money... sounds like a prelude to a kill

So, what Jakesg said.

The exact opposite opposite really. I like it when they run. And I if I didn't want to encounter Military/police I wouldn't pirate in highly populated systems. I just don't like traders trying to make a fool out of me. By calling for help WHILE they RP. That's completely OORP and unrealistic. How can you do both at the same time? You can't.

I think I've given a perfectly valid reason as to why I do what I do. Any further discussion is futile.

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[blckvec]

So you pirate because...? You hate traders? CBA doing trading yourself?
IF your aim is that the trader is pissed off after being hit, with him having no interaction, and it being only 30seconds then you're doing it wrong.
As for rewarding pirates who actually <i>try</i> to have the piracy enjoyable for the player of the trader. It makes sense. 2 mil, 20 seconds or die? That serves you well, but no one else.
From my experience as a trader (Approx 6 months playing time on my gateway ship) and as a pirate, it's about giving folks some interaction, during what some find to be an incredibly boring task.

They aren't piggy banks waiting for you to break them.

If I came off as offensive, while not intentional, it would be because I greatly dislike pirates with your mindset.

Edit: /signed @JakeSG

Don't put words in my mouth. I don't hate traders. They're my enjoyment. All RP does not have to be long winded. You're disrupting the very RP atmosphere by trying to force that style on others. I'm a pirate and this is my style. It's mine and I Enjoy it. If getting pirated while trading is supposed to be enjoyable... A very unrealistic atmosphere has been created. Popping in and out of RP to give pirates gift money. Gimme a freak'n break.

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[Corsair]

I remember my Outcast was pirating in S-13 back in ye olde 4.84, and a trader came through the JH. He started pew pewing me before I could say anything. Nonetheless, he died.

Second instance, same setting. I was roleplaying with the trader for a good 10 minutes when a GMG ship pulled up. Another 10 minutes of bantering before eventually, me and the GMG started fighting. I died, but I had a helluva good time.

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[blckvec]

Do you use a gunboat to pirate? I sincerely hope you do.

Suck it up. 'They did this to me.' is not a valid excuse, it just turns the community into a hellhole and ends up with everyone treating everyone else like crap. Continue with that attitude and you're going to have people hunting you across Sirius. Not because you're an infamous pirate, mind. Because you're infamous for being a pvpwhoring jackass whom picks on people that struggle to fight back because of some grudge he developed from a single bad experience he had months ago..

A grudge ? LOL I don't even remember the guys name, but it was a lesson. I don't cry when my trader gets jacked. I lost a 15m load just yesterday. I dropped it when they asked and they killed me anyways. But hey they're an enemy faction I expect no less. My primary intent is credits. So calling me a pvpwhore is just being radical.

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[Elsdragon]

I would Rp more, If every time i try , i didnt get an LOLwhut? Really, Ive never pirated Liberty, but most of the time i get LOLwhut powertraders in kusari.

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No longer a slave to the man!

[Ark]

I just don't like traders trying to make a fool out of me. By calling for help WHILE they RP. That's completely OORP and unrealistic. How can you do both at the same time? You can't.

It's like a store or bank hitting the silent alarm while they "get you the money." I don't see any problem here other than your attitude.

[BaconSoda]

You know, for some reason I always see these types of threads as nearsighted on both sides. Good pirate RP is an art, one which I think I lost, a little bit, but an art none the less. The balance between making sure you can get people to stop and get them before the police show themselves while still maintaining decent RP is hard to do, especially in places like Liberty, where everyone and their mother wants a piece of you. On the other hand, mastering trader RP is also hard to achieve. Traders have to walk a fine line between when they can run, and when they are forced to pay. It's honestly one of the hardest roles in the game to play successfully and I hold the opinion that 98% of the server has no clue how to do it right.

Now, onto my retorts:

[6.19] Pirates have a right to deal as much damage as they see fit before or after demanding money from a trader ship, but killing trader ship before demanding money or cargo is not allowed.

This is a rule I will always take to heart. If I want to RP someone who wants to make sure his targets are scared, I'm going to do so with my guns. I have the guns, I can use them. Does this mean I don't RP because I drain trader's shields when I demand they stop to make sure they know I can back up my threats? Heavens, no, RP is the paramount concern of playing on this server. If a trader stops, then RP ensues. Does one shot really cause such a large problem? I still RP, and you still RP. It's like, holy crap, I scared you into stopping.

Sincerely suggest you don't start firing on a trader as soon as he shows. Makes them panic on one side, and it's a pain in the arse to those traders who weren't planning on fleeing. Besides, you can easily finish the jackass off within the time it takes for the lawfuls to show, or as Sindy said you can claim hostage.

If you aren't planning on fleeing, you can take a hit, and lose your shields. You're still stopped and the pirate still wants to talk. I don't understand the problem. I mean, does one shot constitute OoRP?

Take out my shield and I will donate less.

Scratch my hull, so that even one nanobot needs to be used, your going to find 4980 units of cargo floating around you.

Nice tunnel vision. What is wrong with firing on someone to ensure that they know your character is a jerk? I don't understand, again. You're stopped, and the pirate still wants to talk. What is the problem?

Heh, if you RP out your character well and the trader is RPing as well (aka interaction between trader-pirate lasts longer than 10minutes, involving more than just talk about money) then I don't think you should tell the pirate you'd rather die than pay him, just because you lost your shield.

I like this guy. He speaks truth. If the pirate shoots first, and RPs, what is the problem? Some pirates are pissed as hell, understandably. We all have causes and whatnot to support or fulfill, and if we want to express that, what is wrong with it?

When I'm pirating, if the guy doesn't halt when CD'd/disrupted, I'm not going to be a nice pirate.

I like this guy too. He speaks truth. I'll give a tip about getting away from pirates: It's all about standing still. If you act like you're going to cooperate, the pirate will be more willing to cooperate. You can talk, chat, and whatever, at which point you can call the cops while stalling for whatever reason. What happens then? You get away. Running is never the answer to a semi-competent pirate. In any event, it will probably just piss both parties off.

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[8:32:45 PM] Dusty Lens: Oh no, let me get that. Hello? Oh it's my grandma. She says to be roleplay.
[12:49:19 AM] Elgatodiablo: You know its nice that you have all that proof and all, Bacon... but I just don't believe you.