Discovery 4.82 Beta features, bugs & suggestions

[Nightfall]

Possibly you may be right about the House LFs, Zuke.

I was generalizing the things by reffering to the ones I was engaging or flying (mainly the Cylon -I know it's a HF now- and the Slipstream), my mistake.

I bought a Phantom LF, so I'm trying that one now, I'll get to the rest in time, it's hard to be set on flying every ship in the mod:lol:that's why I keep saying that the people that fly the things should say something if they realize there's an issue or even a possibility of one. It will bring attention of other people who may know more/give their evaluation.

That's what I like about this mod, balance and that's why I dedicate a lot of my time here to try helping Igiss achieve it by saying what I think/find. Igiss' word will always be the last on the issue of it and I'll respect it.

Just as a side note, have you played on a vanilla server lately? All the 'top pilots' fly an Eagle loaded with 4 Tizonas, 1 Cannonball and a Sunslayer and are neutral to all/most NPCs, even on RP servers. It's sickening!

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If the stars should appear one night in a thousand years, how would men believe and adore and preserve for many generations the remembrance of the city of God? - from 'Nightfall' by I. Asimov
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[Qunitinius~Verginix]

@Nightfall, I guess you right, I don't think that the LF should be toned down, I was saying if they were to be, rather drop the armour then take away guns.

What is the phantom LF? I knew the phantoms got ID's but their own ships now? I think I might be missing something.....

Verginix out

EDIT: WOW! my 1000th post! Its seams like only yesterday I was downloading discovery and signing up for the forums......

Even if it was 6 months ago!

Horray!
Verginix Out (Again)

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[Nussebull]

What is the phantom LF? I knew the phantoms got ID's but their own ships now? I think I might be missing something.....

The Rheinland MkII Light Fighter.

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FYI: Nussebull = lolwutter

[Nightfall]

Thanx Nussebull!:)

@Quintinius: it's the MKII Banshee, Rheinland LF. And believe me, that thing kicks a$$ with the four class9 slots.

You still don't get it. The very thing you want to stay on the LFs is the one that's overpowered - the guns. And you can take on anything with class9 guns, a single fighter... way overpowered in my book.

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If the stars should appear one night in a thousand years, how would men believe and adore and preserve for many generations the remembrance of the city of God? - from 'Nightfall' by I. Asimov
The Outcasts consider Siniestre Nube a sacred place for several reasons. Early explorers discovered a jumphole within the depths of the cloud that leads to a strange world of ringed stars and strange craft. All ships in the burrial ground are placed facing that hole to honor the Alien Spirits. - An Outcast rumor

[Qunitinius~Verginix]

Hmmmmm, I guess your Right,oh and thanks, I think I knew that the Phantom was the MK II banshee soemtime ago. >.< Damnit its one of my slow days.

Verginix out

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[Zukeenee]

I'd have to disagree with you on the guns there, Night. Like I said, even my fully-loaded Wyrm (two Disinfector 3s, two Sunfrenzy 2s) had trouble taking down one of the Class 10 HF shields-- which are now pretty much standard, as HFs and VHFs go.

Class 9 guns are powerful alright, but they won't do a whole lot against a fully-loaded VHF unless you have at least six of them. House Mk II LFs only have four Class 9 slots, at most. Some of them only have two Class 9 slots, and two Class 8 slots.

Also, seeing as LFs can't mount Nova AMC, Swarms, Mini Razors, etc., I think that having some of the more powerful guns is a good trade-off.

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[Dab]

I'd have to disagree with you on the guns there, Night. Like I said, even my fully-loaded Wyrm (two Disinfector 3s, two Sunfrenzy 2s) had trouble taking down one of the Class 10 HF shields-- which are now pretty much standard, as HFs and VHFs go.

Class 9 guns are powerful alright, but they won't do a whole lot against a fully-loaded VHF unless you have at least six of them. House Mk II LFs only have four Class 9 slots, at most. Some of them only have two Class 9 slots, and two Class 8 slots.

Also, seeing as LFs can't mount Nova AMC, Swarms, Mini Razors, etc., I think that having some of the more powerful guns is a good trade-off.

I'd say any LFs with 4 gun slots get 2 10s, and 2 9s. They aren't meant to be able to take down a BS, but they should win in a fight with a single VHF. Any with 5 or more gun slots should be level 9s only. Heck, 6 level 9s would be as powerful as an HF, plus the LF agility. So 6 class 9s on an LF is even too much. 2 8s and 4 9s, or 2 10s and 2 9s.

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[Koolmo]

I think Dab's right, It is nearly impossible to wina battle in a LF atm, because their guns are too weak, and too few, and because the HF shields are too strong. I think HF shields should be downgraded, so that only VHF's have class 10 shields, and the others have class 9 or 8.

On a seperate note, the inforard for planet Rabat, in Omage-47, has oxygen spelt wrong. And, when you log onto the server, 'official' is spelt wrong, its missing an 'f'.

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[marauder]

Actually an LF has a decent chance, though it does depend on a few important things.

1) how good the LF pilot is,

2) what shield the VHF pilot has mounted,

3) what type of guns the LF has mounted,

4) how good the VHF pilot is,

After all, having a class 10 shield wont help your VHF if the LF your fighting has mounted weapons that do more damage to it.

For example:

A class 10 positron shield won't last long against class 8/9 pulse, photon or laser weapons.

A class 10 molecular shield won't last long against an LF with class 8/9 tachyon weapons.

A class 10 gravtion shield will be chewed off surprisingly fast by class 8/9 molecular, particle or plasma weapons.

Of course if you have a set up to deal with the most common shield type used it will suffer against opponents who know what weapons you've got mounted.

As for altering the gunmounts, only on the LFs with six gunmounts, make them all class 8 and it should be fine, after all, theres not that much differnece in damage ratings between class 8 and 9 guns.

LFs don't need class 10 guns, they're not suppose to be able to win easily against VHFs, wear VHFs down or fight them to a standstill, yes.

Also, all NPC escorts for transports are disrupter equipped LFs, not nova cannon equipped VHFs, gunboats or cruisers.

The whole idea of LFs is for support and escort.

[Dab]

LFs don't need class 10 guns, they're not suppose to be able to win easily against VHFs, wear VHFs down or fight them to a standstill, yes.

Win easily, no. Have a better chance of winning LF vs. VHF, yes. The VHF shouldn't have the advantage in dogfighting over an LF. The LFs are created for escort and protection, yes. But their main purpose is anti-fighter. It shouldn't take 2 LFs to kill a VHF. Just time. An LF's agility helps it dodge, but it lacks the firepower to kill any decently-piloted VHF. It should be able to strip the shield in 4 shots, instead of the VHF's 2. But it should still have that chance. Right now, if you want to do any hull damage, you can't use pulse weaponry. Making it extremely difficult to take out the shield. Either way, you hit a brick wall. If you can take the shield with pulse, you'll be stuck on the hull. If you can do decent hull damage, you are extremely hard pressed to get the shield down, let alone keep it that way.

Zuk and I are both good fighter pilots. But my Eagle could beat his LF. The only way for me not to be able to, was for him to dodge a ton. Doing that prohibited him from shooting back. He couldn't do any damage to me without me stripping his shield, then getting at least one hull shot. He did about 3 bars of shield damage in the time I would regen 5-6. The problem wasn't piloting. He was doing better than me that day. The problem was, by the time he could get my shield down, I was facing him, shooting back, doing easily three times the damage. LFs need a firepower upgrade. Not major, but some.

If VHFs were meant to be the best of the best in dogfights, then thats what the police would use. But they use LF because the LF was made for that purpose. The militaries use VHFs and HFs because, while they can do damage to LFs, they can also do damage to capital ships. But the LF is still meant to be the best dogfighting ship out there. Police are always up against pirate fighters. Militaries are up against other military's capships. They have specific fighters designed for the dangers they face.

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