Calm down everyone, no need to get into a pissing match. I think it's best if we laid out the issues that we want to discuss, and do so in a completely OOC manner.
Incidentally, anyone else remember that Okinawa bitch-thread that came out when the system was revealed? I have no desire to return to something like that.
edit: and yes, I am aware that I'm offering to "diplomat" here. Please don't kill me:(
Well than. How will you be controlling GMG when GMG does not recognize your authority, Jien? (You aren't my Emporer). You won't find anyone in our space that will take orders from you except the Hogosha and they aren't anywhere close to being able to convince us to follow along. You jumped in this, both feet on the ground. How far will it go before it can officially be considered a debacle? Since this is all just a farce so far I will tell GMG| to continue on as normal. If there is the possibility of hostilities somehow being allowed to go through and not be considered OORP than we'll go along with it. Our RP can change but it will take more than the "it's beside my system so it's mine" RP of someone else to make me overhaul the faction.
' Wrote:Well than. How will you be controlling GMG when GMG does not recognize your authority, Jien? (You aren't my Emporer). You won't find anyone in our space that will take orders from you except the Hogosha and they aren't anywhere close to being able to convince us to follow along. You jumped in this, both feet on the ground. How far will it go before it can officially be considered a debacle? Since this is all just a farce so far I will tell GMG| to continue on as normal. If there is the possibility of hostilities somehow being allowed to go through and not be considered OORP than we'll go along with it. Our RP can change but it will take more than the "it's beside my system so it's mine" RP of someone else to make me overhaul the faction.
Someone from the GMG said something about locking down the Honshu to Okinawa JG earlier. That would be an appropriate first step. Revoking the GMG's shipping rights in Kusari would be a second. How do you plan on getting your product to market without being able to move it threw Kusari or Rhineland? You can go threw Outcast or Corsair space....have fun. I dont think Kusari need fire a shot. All we really need to do is wait it out. Without a safe distribution network, the GMG doesnt have any way to move it's product. It cant move it's product, it dies....Samura comes in and cleans up on your scraps.
I concur with one thing, this thread shouldn't exist.
People involved in the former in-RP discussion were all aware about the implications and were trying to have some genuine roleplay there, the need of opening occ topics on this same argument (again...and again...and again) is a sign of issues in the base concept, or at least that's what I think at the moment.
I've read some interesting workarounds though (like switching systems for example) and I wonder if maybe there's one that can be followed.
Lo
Yeah placement has been a strong suggestion. From what I've heard, the JG is there for the conveniance of the three companies undertaking the projects. When they are done the projects, I believe they'll be packing up. All that resources needed for develpment won't be needed anymore and the system will nothing more than the source of some of GMG's raw materials. It could be quite possible that the JG to Honshu will no longer be required (GMG has their security to worry about too) and the back door to our space gets closed. Leaving JG access to 19 only. JH's are a different story.
Interesting...so, after all, Kusari is playing its part there.
The GMG have the system but all the three companies are passing through Kusari space for "their" convenience, using a gate allowed to be constructed by the Emperor, no doubt.
Don't that make of Okinawa an arguable autonomous system?
Wouldn't that be a right occasion to sit on diplomatic table? Instead of taking it belly up? (kinda speaking for both sides here..)
Lo
The reason this thread exists is that, prior to Kusari's response to Hatsumi's transmission, Okinawa was sovereign*. Fact.
The fact that the transmission was the first time that any Kusari official has claimed Okinawa from the GMG made me believe that the claim was simply an oversight, and Kusari roleplayers were operating under the belief that Okinawa was in Kusari prior to the incident.
Just like one would expect that Rheinland would warn Liberty OOC before invading and claiming Texas, a private OOC warning to the GMG| Guild Masters about the claim on our space would have prevented this OORP discussion from ever having to happen.
With that, I admit it may have been optimal to resolve this via PM's. But what has been done, has been done.
Yeah I understand that Kusari and GMG should put the Okinawa system on the table about discussions on perhaps the gate. But my RP responces will be the appropriate one; stubborn and fiercely independant. Even the rumours of KNF and KSP show that GMG very much asserts it's sovereignty and doesn't take orders from any form of Kusari leadership. There is even one specifically saying that the KNF doesn't come into our space to deal with pirates because of the often difficult diplomacy New Tokyo has with the fiercely independant guild. I, as Lotek pointed out, am re-enacting that RP in my Diplomacy when faced with a threat to our sovereignty (these threats are not always militant in nature). I came across this thread whan I got off work and between the PM's in my in-box, the realization that it's truly and errantly believed that Okinawa (and all GMG space) is under Kusari rule, and the obvious OOC declaration by Jien that he will not acknowledge any of the infocards or long established in-game RP that GMG is sovereign meant it's time for me to come and draw the line OOC.
We aren't arguing that we should be soverein, oh no. We are arguing that we never lost our sovereignty in the first place. All we received so far was a bunch of words by an Emporer that isn't ours.
The results at the diplomatic table would not involve the cessation of any space. The 530 somewhat years that GMG has been independant, the fact that they would fight so bitterly for 80 years against an entire Army and win while losing half their numbers, and being able to scatter the Wilde fleet that stormed through the Sigmas after occupying Kusari and off to stop the purge in Rheinland, all leads me to believe strongly that they would never even think for second that any of their space will go in the hands of a house. GMG would force the house into choosing whether or not to just leave them be or invade (there are more sinister types of invasion that doesn't include the Navy). Take your pick.
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