and whoever keeps messing around with mining so that "it is on par with trading" is fixing something that isnt broken.
people who want to mine do not want to sit around for an hour just making 20mil, instead they would find it better to get into a trader and make triple that in the same amount of time.
some certain people seem to be forgetting: this is NOT EVE, it is NOT a MMORPG, it is a simple game with a large multiplayer so stop trying to make it into one with this dynamic economy crud.
I hear vastly varying figures of how much money can be made by trading- 25, 35, 40, 60, 80 or 100 million per hour.
If trading is significantly more profitable than mining then perhaps the target profit for mining should be increased (note this isn't my decision).
If you want the target profit for mining changed then provide hard data on the profits from trading. You'll need to show your route, time taken to fly the route and profit. If you don't want to share this information with everybody then PM it to me.
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I have thought about setting up a Rheinland miner but I don't know where good mining spots are outside of Dresden. And even those are low because the selling price of Diamonds there is so low. Meditate on this I shall...
I enjoyed the time I spent in 49 mining, plesant chit chat and profit, yay. It was almost like a plesant Sigma 13. But I did notice that there were a lot of BH BCs stationed in that area. Hmmm.
I think one beta should include a update for a BH BC powercore that is near 0, just as a joke. Let the pirates breath for a bit. No? Not a good idea?
' Wrote:I have thought about setting up a Rheinland miner but I don't know where good mining spots are outside of Dresden. And even those are low because the selling price of Diamonds there is so low. Meditate on this I shall...
I enjoyed the time I spent in 49 mining, plesant chit chat and profit, yay. It was almost like a plesant Sigma 13. But I did notice that there were a lot of BH BCs stationed in that area. Hmmm.
I think one beta should include a update for a BH BC powercore that is near 0, just as a joke. Let the pirates breath for a bit. No? Not a good idea?
I myself had gotten an idea like that. Dont know quite which one to choose though ,Daumman or Kruger. But anyways , to answer your question, i think that Omega 7 is a good place to mine. It has a couple of small "pockets" of Copper , Cobalt and even Silver.
All of those things seem to sell well in Eerie by the way. But there would be kinda OORP and the profit aint that great anyways.
But if you do get to make a rheinland miner , give me a heads up. Mining alone is boring >_<
' Wrote:Additionally, this is nowhere near the money you can make if you trade. 5 K transports can easily make 40-50 mil per hour trading. Mining should be able to rival that ! (atleast if you work in groups of miner+hauler)
what route is this? i want it badly. i only make about 30-35million an hour.
mining could use a nice boost. of about 8-12 million an hour
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Mining could use a boost, but I'd love to know where people are making 50mil or more an hour trading. I highly doubt this is the case unless there are some serious OORP violations involved. Otherwise people don't know how to do math and need to break out a stopwatch. ;) By my experience there are very few routes that can hit more than 40mil an hour in a 5k transport. Granted I was gone from Disco for quite some time and the game has changed significantly since I took my hiatus. I may not be privy to all the prime shipping lanes.
If 40mil is the current target max for trading I think GROUP mining should yield slightly more than that. 45-50mil. Solo mining should be lower... maybe 30-35mil. Trading is easy to do AFK and I think dedicated miners/mining groups should be rewarded for their efforts. I have a mining char and a trader. The trader is FAR easier to do for extended periods of time because i F2 and can then RP/chat/alt-tab/etc. Mining requires more concentration and, sadly, results in more eyestrain and a tired mouse hand. :( Aside from this, I enjoy mining MORE, especially when my whole group is out, pirates show up, security flies in... its great RP and I have yet to run into a pirate in a mining field who didn't at least attempt at RP. I PREFER to be active at the keyboard blasting rocks than F2ing and zoning out or reading or whatever other people do while waiting to reach the end of a tradelane or hit a JH.
At Java it took me slightly less than 4min to fill up, unload and start over... that's about 27mil per hour (2750units x $659 / 4min per round x 60min). Java IS somewhat safe... at least when CR are around. When their not, and the Outcasts come to play, its a different story. But if traders are really making 40-50mil+ an hour on most runs, I think a miner should expect no less than 30mil in a place like T23. Significantly more in dangerous areas or when hauling long distances.
Just as we reap the golden wheat, must we also cut free of the chains! [eS]
' Wrote:I myself had gotten an idea like that. Dont know quite which one to choose though ,Daumman or Kruger. But anyways , to answer your question, i think that Omega 7 is a good place to mine. It has a couple of small "pockets" of Copper , Cobalt and even Silver.
All of those things seem to sell well in Eerie by the way. But there would be kinda OORP and the profit aint that great anyways.
But if you do get to make a rheinland miner , give me a heads up. Mining alone is boring >_<
Omega 11 sucks at the moment, but Dusty made a comment a while ago about it being changed for the better. However, going off statements in this thread, I'm no longer holding my breath.
' Wrote:Omega 11 sucks at the moment, but Dusty made a comment a while ago about it being changed for the better. However, going off statements in this thread, I'm no longer holding my breath.
For those who are questioning my 40-50 mil an hour routes, try doing some embargo runs, if you're not a part of a faction which does not permit you to do so.
In fact, there are certain kusari <-> bretonia <-> rheinland routes which are pretty good....
Ok the following is for Cannon since I ran into him in Omega49 when I was bout to mine earlier.
As I said before oyu logged cannon heres the results of the test.
TWO mining ships, IMG ID, mining laser
ONE Advanced train.
Result ? If you have THREE people you make a LITTLE more than a SINGLE person makes trading in a 5k transport.
And thats before splitting it.
Conclusion: mining is no longer worth it as is. May as well power trade.
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