Okinawa Event #2: Isehara Terraforming Platform I Sat 9 15:00 GMT

[Ortog]

Lets all calm down , shall we? The ones that were brave enough to attack deserve all my praise and recognition, there are unbalanced wars and fights. Thats life, fair play has nothing to do with it.

The event was scheduled with enough time to gather the numbers, If they aren't able to mobilise its not GMG fault, the event was already postponed once and shouldn't be postponed again. To the ones that fought: you did it with such bravery and flair that we, Ronin, will always salute you as worthy opponents.

[Semeagol]

This "honor" thing has no place in what I'm talking about. I am talking about OOC fair play and sportsmanship, which apparently is not lacking simply in NY lolfleets.

OOC ppl can and should have sportsmanship, but this is a RP server
It's not a OOC server. So stop winning. And stop mixing things up.

Nothing was done out of character, all of them were playing their characters.

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[Friday]

You want to make RP changes even whem the events count as "disqualified" because the other side doesn't show?

Okay, so that must explain why the Hogosha are not turning up in numbers. By disqualifying events they get to stall development of Okinawa by default? I dont think so...

I know! I'll make an event then, faction A vs faction B, and schedule it so that all my faction A players are on, and no faction B players are online. Then, when they don't show, I'll count it as a win for my side and move on!

How about instead, faction B propose a suitable time?
How about instead, faction B actually get involved with the planning of the event, instead of leaving it to us and then not bothering to make a show of it?

If you want to keep having lopsided fights, then don't make it straight up PVP. Have some accomplishable objective for the smaller side that doesn't involve wiping out the larger side.

Perhaps if the Hogosha were to get involved in planning the events they could suggest some suitable goals? I would be happy to generate mission objectives - if the enemy is prepared to even READ them. last event was for the enemy to attack the Sigma-19 Gate Construction Site, they didnt even go there!

@ Semeagol: I am not upset at the result of the event. I am upset at the way it was conducted, which is an OOC matter. Therefore, I am addressing it OOC.

And I suppose that if the Hogosha and Corsairs were victorious in spite of the odds you would still be upset? Who are you kidding!

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[Hawkwings]

I must disagree with you Ortog. Freelancer is a game, and we encourage fair play here as much as possible.

I ask you all: is a 16 vs 4 fight fair? Ignore any RP reasons, ignore any considerations of prep time or previous arrangements. I'd like a simple yes or no answer, is a 16 vs 4 PVP fight involving all fighters/bombers on Discovery Freelancer version 4.87 fair?

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[Zelot]

I wasnt there, havent read any of this except the two posts, but I will say, if this event went on with a 16-4 numbers, it was done wrong. Plain and simple.

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[Hawkwings]

Okay, so that must explain why the Hogosha are not turning up in numbers. By disqualifying events they get to stall development of Okinawa by default? I dont think so...

If development of Okinawa is your goal, PVP events are not the only way to do it. Have you considered forum RP beween GMG and Hogosha?

How about instead, faction B propose a suitable time?

How about instead, faction B actually get involved with the planning of the event, instead of leaving it to us and then not bothering to make a show of it?

If there is a lack of input from one side, the other side should not blithely continue on previous assumptions.

Perhaps if the Hogosha were to get involved in planning the events they could suggest some suitable goals? I would be happy to generate mission objectives - if the enemy is prepared to even READ them. last event was for the enemy to attack the Sigma-19 Gate Construction Site, they didnt even go there!

This is a problem, and it appear endemic to the entire RP events forum. Lots of times I see nobody check the thread until half an hour before the event. I honestly don't have a solution to this problem.

And I suppose that if the Hogosha and Corsairs were victorious in spite of the odds you would still be upset? Who are you kidding!

Yes, I would still be upset with the conduct of the event. I know that may be hard for some of you to believe, and you may choose to not believe me when I say it, but yes, I would still be upset.

And yes, I realize Zelot just posted. Let's not let this devolve into a "We all hate Zelot" discussion, as previous conversations have turned into.

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[Friday]

Sounds like your the one that needs to grow up.

I need to grow up? No I dont think so.

I was there as the 1 Hogosha along with 3 OPG allies, at the point where the GMG and Blood Dragon forces could see there were only 4 attackers, the Blood Dragons could have chosen not to get involved, but still they did, not only that but mercenaries and freelancer were also involved when they did not need to be there.

The Hogosha could show some RP finesse, instead of 'see the enemy, kill the enemy'.

Was any attempt made to gather other Corsair forces from Gamma?

Why didnt you make a counter offer to the Freelancers to join your side? That would have been an extra two ships right there.

Why didnt you scout the area and make a diversion? You would have seen the Zoner ship and attacked it.

The reason we fought is because as an event had been agreed, it was only fair that someone on our side turn up.

If the Black Dragons dont like the time scheduled for the event, then suggest another time.

The GMG side could have shown a little more sportsmanlike behaviour for the very fact that we didn't tell everyone to forget about the event altogether.

The Hogosha already forced the postponement of the event from last week.

I also do not appreciate the threat of TAZ getting involved as they are not enemies of the Hogosha they should stay neutral and also the game states that the Hagosha have influence in both Sumura and Kishiro so they should be neutral.

I spoke to that Zoner ship before the event - I told him not to fight unless he had specific approval from the TAZ - which he didnt. He ended up being placed as an attack target to divert our forces.




And again, where were the rest of the Hogosha. This event has been two weeks in the making - hardly any of your faction even bother to post attendance - let alone show up! No offer of an alternate time was put forward by the Hogosha. Is this going to be a trend of non-participation?

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[Hawkwings]

OOC ppl can and should have sportsmanship, but this is a RP server
It's not a OOC server. So stop winning. And stop mixing things up.

Nothing was done out of character, all of them were playing their characters.

You know what else is in-character? A Liberty Dreadnought destroying a smuggler in Alaska. Why do we not allow that? This is an RP server after all.

Fair play.

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[Ortog]

@Hawkings: you ever been in a pvp whore server 5 years ago? when ppl didn't even know what role play is?

Ronin started in a server like that, since we were a lawful faction we got beaten to a pulp for several months by the whole server, because we actually dared to make role play. We never cried for fair play or mercy and we kept fighting and showing up because honour was stronger then pride.

So, yes, it was unfair to them, yes i know what feels like being gunned down so lick your wounds and next time show up in decent numbers.

[Semeagol]

You know what, life it's not fair, war it's not fair.

If I had a Hogosha char or a Corsair char I would do the same they did, even with odds like that I would go and fight with all my strength and hope I could manage to take 1 or 2 down before I die.

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