I would like to address something that seems to be a popular misconception.
It seems to me, that 90% of the TRADERS that come into gallia, the ones subject to our heaviest tax, do buisness on at least one lawful station or planet while in gallia. In other words, they are either supporting them, or supplying them.
In other words, what buisness do the Council have, threatening to destroy us for taxing them, exactly?
Be kinder than necessary, because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle.
J.M. Barrie
WOW ive been studying a day and already this Thread is going off course...... I could quite happily right now spend hours writing a little story about who vampirs and where they came from BUT it seems everytime I have ever posted a background story for any Faction people here just tear it Apart, Like for e.g. RaVeN remember them yes the exiled half breed outcasts that worshipped nomads and Ate Flesh. The Cannibal side of that story was torn apart yet now I see in Omicron Gamma Corsairs openly talking about there crew need to eat human flesh ETC OMG What Trend did I set coz before that Corsairs never Rped cannibals it was just a rumour, now its the NORM!
So given the fact I do have some very popular ideas that have in the past taken off!!! This time im not gonna write a story I opened this Thread so that I could get the community to help give me some Ideas on what makes a really good backstory for a faction like ours. Once its complete this community will have nothing to moan about.
@ ZiGGY please please PLEASEEEEEE if your not gonna help me out by giving some input on what we could use to get a good RP feature put together then Stay out the thread. Because it seems all your doing is Providing Criticism as if this was a REAL FACTION PROPOSAL which it is not HELL ITS NOT EVEN A PRE FACTION PROPOSAL because if it was Ziggy Boy there would be a story attached to my first Post. But Guess What Read the title of this Thread its Not a P-F Proposal so no story, hence all your Moaning on here about the Lack of Rp we've shown is an ILLOGICAL STATEMENT coz what we are seekuing here is some help to get our RP right. So please if you have nothing Positive to ADD, do not ADD anymore Thankyou.
Please everyone before you post here read the title of the thread, I have NOT posted info on us here as our Proposal but merely as something for you to work with If you want to make suggestions on how to get our RP feature Right, Suggestions are all I want not Criticism I have not posted anything to Criticize YET!!!!!
Im not asking for your judgement here but your Suggestion Dont make this a FLAME D'FEST.....
@Peter: your revision of the tax levys are impressive I shall study your proposed tax prices in detail then make amendments where required.
@MordSith - your right I should write up the Background story which I will, with all our own unique history and identity filled in, all i need to know is how this community likes there stories so when I do write it they Go WOWOWOWOWOW, so im lloking for suggestions on what goes into making a good Background story. Do Not let fools like Ziggy wind you up they come here not knowing what the thread is about think that this actually a proposal to make us official when in fact we are far off reaching that stage yet, and they Just run their Mouths til they realize what complete crap they Chat.
Ingame we do RP we try as mush as possible to be as Interesting as possible cut throat wise, none of us are French so when we do try and I mean try to chat french we dont get the spelling right For e.g. and then the GRN will come in with smart comments about how we disgrace the national Gallic language by not talking ir right which fits perfectly with us as we are all Illiterate pirates anyway. when I talk to traders we have interesting convos there is a lot of RP more so than, ''o Pay or die''
type pirates in sirius. We have even had RP interactions with =CR= I believe it was the first ever interaction between the CR and a Brigand sad to say the interaction ended in bloodshed as both had too much pride to give into the other. So we do have very good RP skills, I even have a member who would only use LFs when I said to him you wont be able to tax in that your not scary Enough he said I dont need power I can RP the Tax out of these Traders!, Low and Behold
{Les~Vampirs}Asterix was extorting Tax from Zoner Gunboats without Firing a Shot in his Light fighter. If that Mon Amis does not show our RP potential then nothing Will. I myself use a bomber because similar instances with me in a LF taxing end up with my position being disrespected and then being gunned down.
We only aim to improve on what RP we have Now!!!!!
Quote:Gee, Faction Proposal. How odd. Clearly, this quote doesn't imply in any way that making Les Vampirs a faction is in any way on the table. Boy, thanks for clearing me up on that, Megiddo! I don't know where I'd be without you.
Emm... What Dragon said. You can't only look at part of it. PRE, being the key words. As in, before hand. Coupled with, "Need tips and Ideas on how I should go about it" equals, Brainstorm/suggestions, pl0x? *sigh* Anyways... I return to my point about literacy being awesome for both this matter and the fact that either you were mocking me by calling me Megiddo, or you mistook me for... Megiddo...
So, cruisers, eh?
Well, watered down... Like, really watered down, I see no reason why not to have Council Cruisers. Lets face it, if they're going to lend out their 100+ mill of hardware, they're probably going to put some of their guys on it to keep tabs. Not to mention they'd probably be supplying the thing. I can't really see somebody having good enough relations to give away a cruiser, but not supply, or at least help supply the thing.
It'd be like giving a hobo your lunch for that day and then expecting him to pay for it.
Quote:Well, watered down... Like, really watered down, I see no reason why not to have Council Cruisers. Lets face it, if they're going to lend out their 100+ mill of hardware, they're probably going to put some of their guys on it to keep tabs. Not to mention they'd probably be supplying the thing. I can't really see somebody having good enough relations to give away a cruiser, but not supply, or at least help supply the thing.
The logic in that is strange. The argument goes like this:
They'll lend us a Cruiser, therefore they'll give us men and supplies as well.
And this proves that the Cruiser will be lent ? I think getting a Cruiser from the Council would be, and I'm still being extremely optimistic, very difficult. Council don't love the Brigands much. They aren't unfriendly, but it's still far from giving out capital ships. Giving them personnel and regular supplies on top of that ... let's say that if someone in the Council approved that, I would have his quarters searched for hallucinogenic drugs. The Council are stretched themselves, they are holding with all their strength and it's still not really enough.
Quote:This point in time? Which point in time is that?
You do realize we're still working on 4.85, right? 4.86 is a long ways off.
You're a more-or-less organized group with a presence ingame. To me, that would seem to force the conclusion that you already have some roleplay going, no matter if it'll remain valid for 4.86 or not, unless you mean to suggest you're gaming on the GC server with absolutely no roleplay at all. I hope that makes my point a little clearer, it might've been misconstrued.
Quote:Low life pirate scum? I do believe I've called the GRN worse. How about Ruthless Spacebuckling Pirates? I fly with the {Les~Vampirs} tag and I would hardly consider the work we've done against the Gallic Royals to be low lifed. How does the fight against the gallic royals rule considered low lifed? Sounds more honorable revolutionaries. But how "honorable" it will be would be decided by the winner of the war.
Perfect! This right here is exactly what I was hoping you'd show me, a roleplay premise for Les Vampirs. That's all I ask; an idea for developing your Brigands' backstories and ingame conduct. To me, it looked like BLACKWIDOW's original post had been written for the sake of running a faction and not for the sake of furthering a productive roleplay concept.
Anyway, now that I can see that at least one of Les Vampirs' members has something going, I can help you brainstorm possibilities on how to expand on the basic idea. I just needed to see that there was, in fact, something to work with, and that anybody helping you out wouldn't just be furthering some sort of drive for your very own fakshun.
I, personally, would suggest you take it easy on the political idealism - the Council and Maquis have both aspects of that particular premise pretty well covered. I'd also suggest you don't necessarily slump into generic "low life pirate scum" roleplay. Instead, I'd like to see you expand on the Robin-Hood-esque take-from-the-rich-give-to-the-poor la-bourse-ou-la-vie romantic highwayman deal the Gallic Brigands infocard seems to suggest. Be swashbuckling robbers. Steal the fat merchants' credits away with wit and charm. Do something fun with a great concept.
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Yeah, BLACKWIDOW, your RaVeN faction was rejected because of two intertwined problems - one, that your roleplay was sillier than a Monty Python episode, and two, that you were obviously trying to form a powergaming clan here on Disco (even the name and its spelling tell one as much, I mean, RaVeN?). My tip? Try to avoid both of those pitfalls here. Don't necessarily shoot for making Disco go WOWOWOWOWOWOW at your superb storytelling, because chances are you and the majority of Disco visualize WOWOWOWOWOWOW writing and exposition very differently. Stick to originality and proper execution, and you'll probably do fine.
Quote:Emm... What Dragon said. You can't only look at part of it. PRE, being the key words. As in, before hand. Coupled with, "Need tips and Ideas on how I should go about it" equals, Brainstorm/suggestions, pl0x? *sigh* Anyways... I return to my point about literacy being awesome for both this matter and the fact that either you were mocking me by calling me Megiddo, or you mistook me for... Megiddo...
You and Mord make similar arguments, so what I told him goes here, too.
...oh jeez, I actually called you Megiddo, whereas you are, in fact, Magoo!. Oh damn. Ouch. Embarrassing. Slinking off now.
Quote:Suggestions are all I want not Criticism I have not posted anything to Criticize YET!!!!!
Im not asking for your judgement here but your Suggestion Dont make this a FLAME D'FEST.....
While I haven't a clue what to suggest for your raison d'etre, I will suggest that you invite flames by calling people "boy" and "fool"...
Trust me, it doesn't help. I have the T-shirt to prove it.
Also, don't think you did yourself any favors by mentioning the RaVeN/cannibal thing.
Well, I do have one suggestion. Pick something from history, and steal from it like crazy. For instance, google "Tortuga Island".
Now.. let's all calm down, take two, and call each other in the morning, eh?
' Wrote:Instead, I'd like to see you expand on the Robin-Hood-esque take-from-the-rich-give-to-the-poor la-bourse-ou-la-vie romantic highwayman deal the Gallic Brigands infocard seems to suggest. Be swashbuckling robbers. Steal the fat merchants' credits away with wit and charm. Do something fun with a great concept.
Don't necessarily shoot for making Disco go WOWOWOWOWOWOW at your superb storytelling, because chances are you and the majority of Disco visualize WOWOWOWOWOWOW writing and exposition very differently. Stick to originality and proper execution, and you'll probably do fine.
You and Mord make similar arguments, so what I told him goes here, too.
Thankyou *Thats the kinda of stuff im looking for, nice idea spotted about the brigands robbing from the Rich to feed the poor, makes for some Good RP IDEA's*
As for the Cruiser thing Peter pointed out there are lots of Rp possibilities for recovering a Council Cruiser wreck from the Fields around the Orkney Hole in Languedoc, illl get in contact with some junkers!!!!
This robin hood thing where we rob rich traders and give the profits to the poor could only work if there was an actual other unofficial Faction like ours but less well equipped that did represent the poor people of gallia. This group could be ran by someone else it would be good if they were brigand too so they could ally with us. So say for e.g. this poor group were called the [Refugees] they could assist us in pirating and the majority proceeds of tax recovered would be handed over to them, under the demise they represent the poor folk of gallia and maintain the use of at Max HF ships as they are poor and reliant on handouts from us.
Something like that could make interesting RP, but who would captain this group of poor people we would donate too??
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