Traders: "Kill me now" OORP?

[hribek]

oops, double post.

[LA-384]

<strike>Hribek, you're either misunderstanding or i am. I spoke in favor of the pirates, not the traders.</strike>

Edit: i didn't read your post very well, you agreed on me... :crazy:

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[tfmachad]

Well quite simple i hold up a trader ask for 3 million credits and he goes: Kill me, it's cheaper! Isn't that OORP?

While I completely agree that it is indeed ooRP for most traders to act suicidal, I wonder if that response in itself isn't also indicative of a different issue (disclaimer: I play both pirate and trader roles myself):

Isn't there a point in which a pirate demand becomes unreasonable enough that the player playing the trader has a right to be annoyed? Can the fact that our interactions in game should mostly be measured within RP parameters actually erase the fact that we're actual people dealing with one another? I mean, fair play has nothing to do with hardcore role play, but people still have a desire for it to be observed.

My point is: Even though it is indeed ooRP for a trader to deny paying any amount in exchange for his life, while it is perfectly in RP for a pirate to ask for everything the trader has; isn't it lack of sportsmanship from the pirate to make too high a demand or even pick on a trader? Even more important, isn't it ooRP for a player role playing a pirate character to charge more or less based on the player's perception of trading as in actively pursuing to disrupting 'power trading' through overpriced and/or overly active piracy?

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[Hawk]

Well, it's OORP for a trader to say "Kill me it's cheaper" If you push the issue they can always find a way around if. They just have to come up with an RP way to do it. "I don't make deals with smelly pirates." and then try to run.

Of course if you really want to have some fun and they happen to be flying a transport or a train.....blow off all their cargo pods and turrets and let them go.

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[Orin]

*points at Orin's post*

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None? Everytime I pass by or am in Sigma-13, all I see the GMG doing is squatting around Naha slapping Cardamine smugglers and pirates who get within 5k of said base.

On only one occasion have I seen GMG out of Sigma-13...
During an event.
Mind you, I'm not in there too often, but when I am, that's what I see.

That was how we rolled at first. It was impossible to police the whole system with the 6 or 7 members we had, so we pretty much camped Naha out of necessity. All the same, we still left quite a bit, and I (am pretty inactive but) would patrol 19 too.

But new mandates are in effect, we patrol now. This isn't really the place for this though.

[maclypse]

"Kill me" is very often blamed on the traders, but usually I place the blame on the pirate. Over-taxing is the problem. If my trader is flying a fully loaded Whale I can pay 2 million - because I'll still get half my profit when I deliver my goods (on my standard route). I've been ransomed for 2 million in 500 cargo ships. I've been ransomed for 2 million when having no cargo. I've been ransomed for "all your cargo" which means not only 100% of my profit gone - but also the purchase price! It makes no sense at all. I prefer to say "Destroy the ship. The insurance company will give me a new one when my pod reaches safe harbor" over "Kill me" but it's the same thing really.

My pirate char's demands are a LOT lower than any pirates my trader has ever been caught by. I'm still having fun, but more importantly - the trader gets his fun too, and makes a profit, and I can catch him on his next run too. Heck, he probably won't even run because he knows the demand is resonable.

Personaly I feel overly high demands are one of the following:
a) a result of ignorance
b) plain greed
c) a bad excuse to make the trader say "no", so they can kill you and feel like big men

Stop the overtaxing, and you stop 90% of the "kill me" comments. Simple.

mac

[AJBeast]

Better than 5m pls... on a fighter.
When im over-taxed , i leg it, and if blasted contact one of my mercenary friends to rip him a new one. Simple!

[maclypse]

Better than 5m pls... on a fighter.
When im over-taxed , i leg it, and if blasted contact one of my mercenary friends to rip him a new one. Simple!

Heh. Legging it is what I usually try when overtaxed, if I can. Not easy in a defenceless whale though! No CM launcher! I don't like the "kill me" solution either, but sometimes, it'll actually SAVE me time and money to just let them shoot and be transported back to the start of my trading route. At this point, it's hard to avoid the temptation to reply to an unresonable demand, with an unreasonable answer.

Simple fact of the matter is: we don't die on this server. RP-wise I consider it "ejecting via escape pod and having the ship replaced by insurance". It's the only way I can explain the game mechanics with RP reasons. With that in mind "fine, shoot the ship to bits" isn't an OORP comment any more - it makes financial sense in RP. In fact - it makes the pirate act OORP, as he should know he's overtaxing and I'd rather see my ship destroyed, than pay. Just a thought... Who is really acting OORP? The trader or the pirate?

[n00bl3t]

Heh. Legging it is what I usually try when overtaxed, if I can. Not easy in a defenceless whale though! No CM launcher! I don't like the "kill me" solution either, but sometimes, it'll actually SAVE me time and money to just let them shoot and be transported back to the start of my trading route. At this point, it's hard to avoid the temptation to reply to an unresonable demand, with an unreasonable answer.

Simple fact of the matter is: we don't die on this server. RP-wise I consider it "ejecting via escape pod and having the ship replaced by insurance". It's the only way I can explain the game mechanics with RP reasons. With that in mind "fine, shoot the ship to bits" isn't an OORP comment any more - it makes financial sense in RP. In fact - it makes the pirate act OORP, as he should know he's overtaxing and I'd rather see my ship destroyed, than pay. Just a thought... Who is really acting OORP? The trader or the pirate?

People will simply say they are not over-charging since in-RP you are paying for your life as well as your multi-million dollar ship.

Eh.

(Personally, I dislike over-charging pirates using this excuse as it reeks of power-gaming, but meh, as long as you RP your demise as an unwilling to pay trader all is well.)

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[Cris]

Pirating is a more RP stuff than anything, I'm sure most pirates got their equipment from a trader (be it powertrader or not) rather than pirating, Ask for a lower fee 1mil or something, even 2mil if the transport a big one, but by my own experience I know many traders get dissapointed when someone shouts "3mil or die" and most traders are willing to pay 1 mil than 3 mil obviously.
Besides I agree the "kill me" is indeed OORP and OOC, thats my point of view

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