One question, where is your base located on Munich? Nuremberg is police planet, Augsburg also police, Eltmann Bundschuh, Leipheim is Unioner, so where is your base?
Good to see that you look at some points. Like I said before: most important is to talk to all the faction leaders, BEFORE you start to piss off people in space with your unknown procedures.
Until this is not clearly worked out, you are treated as foreign forces (unfriendly) and asked to leave Rheinland. Order vessels are foreign and definetly NOT civilian. We do not want to risk a possible Nomad infection in Rheinland.
As Rand Seith stated: operate covertly and don't piss the Rheinwehr off anymore.
Hello again and thank you for still working with us in this topic,
Yeah, exactly my intention with it.
Very good, this topic could need some positiv waves.
Good to see that you look at some points. Like I said before: most important is to talk to all the faction leaders, BEFORE you start to piss off people in space with your unknown procedures.
As said, we are willing to find a solution that fits for all of us. We have an idea for ur faction and you have concerns, so we will try to discuss all points until a good result is found.
For the "piss off" point i can say that in my opinion it is good to interact with the players and try to establish a relationship with them right away. In most cases this worked out fine, we met some real great players which had no problem in interacting with us. I know we both have a special relationship from our first meeting, but i think this wont deny a friendly rp in the future. And because we set up this topic you know us better now and should not be confused about our characters anymore.
Until this is not clearly worked out, you are treated as foreign forces (unfriendly) and asked to leave Rheinland. Order vessels are foreign and definetly NOT civilian. We do not want to risk a possible Nomad infection in Rheinland.
We also do not want to risk a nomad infection in rheinland, this is what we want to prevent with every beat of our hearts. But ok, till we work it out i can live with the fact you are treating us as unfriendly. May i ask how much you have to say in the military? This question is not meant to piss you of, i respect your opinon. But we also would like to know if you can speak just for you or the hole faction. The other players which seem to be in the military too didnt have that much concerns about us as far as i can read. Its mostly about the capital ships, but we will find a solution.
As Rand Seith stated: operate covertly and don't piss the Rheinwehr off anymore.
Well as far as i can read Mr. Seith said some good things about the "coverttly" part but non about the "piss the rheinwehr off". The "piss off" thing i only hear from your side all the time. And your vulgary way to tell it to me in an serious dicussion is not very good, may i ask you to find a more civil way to continue our talk? Because it not the right choice of words in my eyes.
best regards
the Inquisition
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' Wrote:One question, where is your base located on Munich? Nuremberg is police planet, Augsburg also police, Eltmann Bundschuh, Leipheim is Unioner, so where is your base?
Yes of course you may ask. At the moment it is not easy for us in munich to dock and refuel, because as you noticed right... there is no base of ours (yet). At the moment we use the Eltmann outpost for refueling the ships.
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' Wrote:Future path is written here pretty much by Igiss and by collaboration of various official factions by setting up events, making storyline twists and so forth. Like mentioned by others there are definitely some pieces falling out, and somewhat contradictory to a pretty much established post-SP story. May be before rushing out the faction concept it is better simply to try out your roleplay with forums posts and more being more careful about how you put it into game, as evidently by post preceding you've done some harmful mistakes in there, for your idea that is. One step at a time, no need to rush things here.
p.s. I reckon I see familiar faces here. Unless it's merely a coincidence in your character names.
Hm, is it that harmfull to put in a small attack on a base to set up an interesting story? We dont want to change the sirius history on our own. But for a good rp i think it should be some free spaces to bring in your own intensions. Yes we semt to annoy some people with our concept, which i can not fully understand. But we set up this topic to work somthing out with the other players, we also could ignore everyone, take the rheinlanders as hostile and do as we please. But that is not our intension, so i hope that you give us a fair chance.
Heh, yes you are right. The yomadansen was my trialchar on 4.84, you have a good memory. I also set up a story for me and my comrade which was accepted by your faction.
...and then you vanished afterward. As I recall characters were put on MIA and later were removed due to complete inactivity. But that is irrelevant to the subject of the topic. But I think it is something that might as well remind you that if you want to archive something here it takes quite some time and effort, to smooth the rough edges, somewhat making the whole process much similar to in your trial period. I guess in your absence it is something you have forgot partially. As well as the need to adjust ideas to accommodate them to the environment players, like you, me and everyone else here are in. You said you don't understand why people are annoyed with your concept, but I think it's not the concept that annoyed them, it were some of your actions in-game instead. And some parts of the concepts which didn't fit in together at all. Rushed out decisions that put up a big question on your actual concept. And concepts, while at it, don't exactly do anything, they're just blueprints, sketches, simple drawings and have no impact on game till they are implemented. But you rushed out with implementing the idea so you have consequentially endangered your concept now. I think it would benefit you to remind yourself about the steps you had to take before.
' Wrote:...and then you vanished afterward. As I recall characters were put on MIA and later were removed due to complete inactivity. But that is irrelevant to the subject of the topic. But I think it is something that might as well remind you that if you want to archive something here it takes quite some time and effort, to smooth the rough edges, somewhat making the whole process much similar to in your trial period. I guess in your absence it is something you have forgot partially. As well as the need to adjust ideas to accommodate them to the environment players, like you, me and everyone else here are in. You said you don't understand why people are annoyed with your concept, but I think it's not the concept that annoyed them, it were some of your actions in-game instead. And some parts of the concepts which didn't fit in together at all. Rushed out decisions that put up a big question on your actual concept. And concepts, while at it, don't exactly do anything, they're just blueprints, sketches, simple drawings and have no impact on game till they are implemented. But you rushed out with implementing the idea so you have consequentially endangered your concept now. I think it would benefit you to remind yourself about the steps you had to take before.
Yes, there was a brake for both of us back there. We rejoined with the release of 4.85.
Yes, for a big faction it needs alot of work you are right and i belive you know what you are talking about. This concept is meant to be an information about what our thoughts are. And this topic is a good place for all people to add their opinions and suggestions. Its not really meant to dust of and get a faction with lots of players for now. We have no recruiting and are three friends who want to have some fun and rp with the others. So the hole equipment and rank list might not be necessary but we set it up too. Its basicly an information about the -][-guys, if you are interested in what they are doing.
When it comes to the annoying while playing. Well yes we had a bad start with some players which i am sorry for. But i cant change it at this point and i think it not that bad that it cant be forgiven. We dont want to rush out and cry "Hey, we want to be integrated to the official factions. We want our own shipline and we want absolute power in rheinland". I just can repeat myself, we just want to inform the players what our intensions are so that they dont get confused when they meet us arround.
' Wrote:Another point to be mindful of is that the Order chose to form an alliance with the Corsairs in exchange for technology, that doesn't sit well with the Outcasts at all. So I'm even more reluctant to believe that they would assist you.
Aside from that I think you have some good material to work with.
They may have come from Cali in Tau 23. After all, Kress' Men had a lot of ties with both the Order and the Outcasts.
' Wrote:May i ask how much you have to say in the military? This question is not meant to piss you of, i respect your opinon. But we also would like to know if you can speak just for you or the hole faction. The other players which seem to be in the military too didnt have that much concerns about us as far as i can read.
Of course you may ask. You can get all neccessary information from our roster and rank structure. I guess it is better when you read it on your own.
Besides that, I would call myself deeply committed to Rheinland, its history and the factions and players there. And you can guess that my opinion is the same as the opinion of my fellow Rheinlanders, as long as you do not see any words which speak against me from them.
To prevent this thing become a flame fest or some personal dispute between us... take a look at the points we gave you, think about them and talk with your friends about them. Afterwards let us know your consequences and we will see what will happen.
' Wrote:Of course you may ask. You can get all neccessary information from our roster and rank structure. I guess it is better when you read it on your own.
Besides that, I would call myself deeply committed to Rheinland, its history and the factions and players there. And you can guess that my opinion is the same as the opinion of my fellow Rheinlanders, as long as you do not see any words which speak against me from them.
To prevent this thing become a flame fest or some personal dispute between us... take a look at the points we gave you, think about them and talk with your friends about them. Afterwards let us know your consequences and we will see what will happen.
Hello. I am happy to read from you again.
First i like to thank you for the informations.
I see that you are a member in the middle part of the ranking. Maybe some more members share their thoughts with us in the next time. As i read your lines it seems that you are part of the server for a long time and know most of the players in rheinland. I understand that you are sceptical about the concept we wrote because its something very different to most other factions in the game and specially in rheinland.
When it comes to the "flame fest" i can assure you that every unconstructive post which is only ment to insult us will be ignored. But the constructive posts will be discussed one by one, first with the other two Inquisitors and then with the people in this topic. We will discuss the actual concerns and suggestions and will inform you afterwards about our ideas to solve this pending points.
One short note to the dispute between our character and our faction. Thats all fine and i am sure this is also a chance for interesting roleplay in the future. But this topic is meant to inform about our faction and a chance for you to tell us about concerns and ideas you have. Here is not the right place for a rp-dispute. So i ask everyone to take it civil and concentrate on the facts.
Ventana i also like to tell you my special thanks for constantly aiding us in this topic. Sometimes the biggest critic is the best help.
Our ranks do not matter here.
RM and any other house military will not allow any other capital vessels in their territory.
And your group is currently hostile as per fact and per orders by the High Command (Rheinland Law)
Please just move all of your ships out of Rheinland and try to establish diplomatic relations after you gain a somewhat approved status.
Currently you are mere Order pilots who were violating Rheinland law and have no permission to dock at any lawful Rheinland base.
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