Thanks for destroying Zoners, QCP!

[Exsiled_one]

So, has any zoner fueled their hatred towards qcp and others that annoy you and actually made a trade program that would be in rp?

Gentlemen, if i may ask someone with wealth of knowledge of zoner world to tell me what are they (according to freelancer) bringing to each sirius faction?

the main import that is.
and then can you tell me how much of those are being done actually.

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[Spear]

yes we were pirating near gran canaria. but we had not pirated any zoners. and we were killing corsairs.
and we all know about the NFZ. we just decided to ignore it.

I see nothing wrong with this other than I hope you were hostile to the Zoner's while conducting piracy next to their base, and expecting the Zoner's to be peeved and declare you hostile.

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[globalplayer-svk]

if you take into account the no fire zone, the zoners still ataccked me before i attacked any zoners.

yes we were pirating near gran canaria. but we had not pirated any zoners. and we were killing corsairs.
and we all know about the NFZ. we just decided to ignore it.

what you make with mercenary that decide to ignore your rules in your system for example?... you talk to him or you kill him?... (and yes, we all know how will BAF or QCP act...

and killing corsairs, sorry, nothing against noone from QCP (it was fun for me to read all the time words as catch this, and bla bla bla, and survive so long, but this:

http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc247/g...k/screen965.jpg

is not killing, but pvp whoring... ( first words that someone from you talked to me for your info...)

and you decided to ignore NFZ, what you was waiting? that they send ship of food to bretonia?

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[darthbeck]

So, has any zoner fueled their hatred towards qcp and others that annoy you and actually made a trade program that would be in rp?

let see... we got killed by a zoner carrier in new tokyo. we've been seeing zoners supporting kusari's war effor with supplies.

what you make with mercenary that decide to ignore your rules in your system for example?... you talk to him or you kill him?... (and yes, we all know how will BAF or QCP act...

and killing corsairs, sorry, nothing against noone from QCP (it was fun for me to read all the time words as catch this, and bla bla bla, and survive so long, but this:

http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc247/g...k/screen965.jpg

is not killing, but pvp whoring... ( first words that someone from you talked to me for your info...)

and you decided to ignore NFZ, what you was waiting? that they send ship of food to bretonia?

hmm... how is that pvp whoring? i will admit that the four of us on you was a little much. but you did 200 nanos worth of damage. which i salute you for.

EDIT: merged

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<span style="font-family:Century Gothic">Violence is Golden</span>

[darthbeck]

EDIT double post. sorry. posts merged

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<span style="font-family:Century Gothic">Violence is Golden</span>

[globalplayer-svk]

darth how? you see any rp behind that attack? or just opening fire typed in the same second as my ship taked first damage?...

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[cobraSting]

was that directed to me because my post above it wasent a complaint

edit kusari wil lshoot you more then probly any other system(besides galia)

I was saying it to OP

[jimmy Patterson]

ok

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[Weepig]

Gentlemen, if i may ask someone with wealth of knowledge of zoner world to tell me what are they (according to freelancer) bringing to each sirius faction?

the main import that is.
and then can you tell me how much of those are being done actually.

I always thought that Zoners werent supposed to be every factions pack mules whose goal was to supply each and every faction with what they need. Instead Freeports act as wholesalers where outlaws sell their wares for a decent price and Zoners ship it to the houses, returning with things the outlaws would need in return. Acting as a middle man to both sides while taking neither.
A key to their survival was the Freeports where anyone, from any faction, could come and sell their wares without fear of being attacked as a lot of the pirate/outlaw (i.e Non house corps/Navy) factions, have in their ZOI some sort of mineable cloud. As they cant sell to house planets, they sell to Zoners who act as a sort of middle man and sell the products on. It was in everyones interest to play by Zoner rules or be cut off from supplies youd have trouble getting elsewhere.

All Zoners wanted, the main reason why i joined them as it goes, was to live in relative peace and fly round, seeing the world, acting as a necessary evil to keep the economy going. Its easier and cheaper for the houses to buy cheap goods from the Zoners rather than fight a war with the outlaws for control of the fields/areas where they get their goods. The Molly gold fields are an example of this.
Most factions allow this as not every house or outlaw group has access to every commodity, so someone has to cart it about and Zoners are a neutral party to all and so noone needs to feel their mortal enemies are profitting from their work.
OSI has trade routes that go to every house apart from Gallia and return with useful things for anyone out in the sticks. Deuterium, MOX, H Fuel, Neon, Nobium, Fertilisers, Luxury Consumer Goods, Optronics. All useful to anyone who cant land at the bases we can to pick them up. While were in house space we also fly a few things around there from where we land to increase in-house trade. All of our routes begin and end at Zoner bases/planets.
So as i said, i dont think we should bring things directly to you, you should come get what you need from the Freeports.

One thing that i think would help would be an overhaul of Zoner commodity prices to reflect this.
For example - Food. In the Omicrons, the Zoner bases are the main source of food as they have the bio-domes. Food should be dirt cheap from these bases and sell for quite a lot on Corsair, Outcast, Hessian and Order bases and anyone else close by as the majority of these cant produce their own food in RP. This could be done at the other Freeports and the other outlaw bases nearby. If you made short trips have a decent profit/hour ratio then not only could people make money but itd encourage more RP between factions. If the ratios could be set to give a smiliar return to each base then itd be better for RP as there would be more incentive to go to the dreaded Omegas or to Minor etc.
If we start delivering to one group or another then it can either be seen as favouritism or 'if we badger them enough theyll cave and do what we want' style weakness so i really dont think its up to us to come to you.

It was in this spirit that i saw the NFZ rules the Council of Zoners voted on. Each group could come to the closet Freeport and pick up what they need for their faction according to their RP. Pirate a lot? Youll need Hull Ship Panels and fuel then. Mine a lot? Youll need mining machinery then. Hunt Nomads? Youll need Pineal Amulets and prayer books then etc.

So, i reject the premise of the question. Its not up to me to supply you. Its up to you to come and get what you need.

[Magoo!]

Good luck getting Bowex to sell you one - Bowex doesn't trust the Zoners enough (or at all for that matter) to sell them a Shire. Of course, that doesn't matter because what a faction feels about another has no bearing on whether or not you can land on a base and buy one of the three ships on offer there.

Aha... Ahaha! Silly goose, we gave them part of our only planet, the least they could do is give us a handful of ships which are inferior to our own designs.

Neutrality goes out the window when Zoners let a nation guilty of genocide use their docking rings.

ALSO, if we did this with pirate IDs, tags and ships instead of Privateer, would we get this bitching?

If a group of Muslims bombed a US building would a prejudice develop against their entire people? Good lord! Funny when people act under the banner of a higher power/label/whatever. There are muggings, and then there are people flying Russian flags waylaying every US citizen that passes under the pair of shoes on the wire. (Read in a politically correct tone. I myself am the epitome of religious neutrality)

Am I the only one who thinks about RP this in-depthly? "Oh hey, Ms. Carrie, we're going to go annihilate the people who just gave our prime business a safe haven for all the refugees, k? Oh, why you ask? Because they were feeding starving people. No biggie. Humanitarian activities and the affiliated link to chivalry are long dead. Bai!"

-Edit- Swift apparently sees into the dark depths of hard-core RP. Qdos.

Stop your whinging.

Whining has no second g.

... Sorry.

Aaaaanywho, got way off topic, and the thread cooled down. Geez, did I actually read 12 pages? 11... Hm, still... I'll probably need new glasses after that.

So. Here's the situation. Some random guy posted a bounty on the Zoners for no apparent reason. Scraps of apparent reason being equivalent to:

"Grr, t3h z0nrz do humanitarian work for the starving and dying members of a pirate nation. Thus, all work to prevent atrocities, starvation, and disease in Africa must cease due to the recent event involving Somali pirates and the freighter. Adieu."

Well that's just stupid! We feed a starving and dehydrated people, we don't share ale and trade equipment. We're friends, not allies. If you'd take the time while you're new here to get up to date on the on-goings of the Zoners before you blanket bounty them, you'd understand this. AND! Also, as a plus, if you'd have taken the time to review our on-goings, you'd have noticed that the Council of Zoners (our governing body, just a fun fact) declined Elder Shepardi's proposal and he ceased all relations. We no longer run food, etc. As of... Oh, a few weeks ago.

Now for the QCP. See, now that's just ridiculous. Pirating us is one thing, whatever. But right outside the planet that we allowed Bowex, the military's supplier, to put down your people for the purpose of safety from Kusari, just crosses a line of stupidity and ill-thought out action. I'm sorry, but that's how it is. If nothing else, your stray fire could very well have decimated a hundred buildings on the surface filled with refugees. But then again, with, "ill pl4y w/bulit moar, k? lul" I don't fully expect much thought to go into this.

Anyways, what I see here is a split of sides.

The QCP are going, "lul, its k" and the Zoners are going, "Wtf?!"

Just like the Keepers went, "Its k" and everyone went, "I'd like a word or two before I get blown up by 700 DPS guns".

And Phantoms...

My recommendation is that if the QCP want to be a super-serial-secret BAF organization that they pull a Phantoms and ditch the tag. That's like James bond meeting with Goldfinger and saying, "The name's Bond, James Bond. Under the employ of MI6, and Her Majesty. Assignment: Kill you. Tea?"

Anywho... Geez, way away from my original thoughts, but I was typing as I read.

Moral of the story: QCP did what their ID said, took a bounty, didn't really think too far into the RP just "But it says! And... The... Employment board!". Thus, its the guy who posted it's fault. He had no real reason. He's just an ill-informed individual who blanketed us and caused all this havoc.