Why I respect the bomber...

[Marcus Lindberg]

Ok, I haven't read the over 9000 threads this week where people wanted to make the bomber worse than it already is. So I decided, why not create a thread which outlines why a bomber is useful? So that those fools who complained about getting pwned by bomber's actually know why...

First of all, yes VHF's are supposed to be able to take down bombers, which is usually the case. Your complaining that you got pwned by a bomber, in YOUR VHF. I don't care. You know why? The people who can actually take down your VHF in a bomber are rare. Either that, or your flying just sucks. Sorry to be mean, but that's true. Don't judge that since a bomber took down your VHF once, that ALL bomber's can do that, its not true. The people who can do that successfully are rare. Wanna know why its so hard? Bomber's maneuverability is so bad, they have to maneuver their bomber, and in less than less than a second (yes I know what I said), they have to press the '6' key on their keyboards so that they can fire a SNAC. Most bomber's can't do that, because their shields usually go down if they have their hand's on the '6' key the whole time, or they don't actually get the chance to fire their SNAC's coz their too busy dodging your darned Vengeances.

Second, this is for all of your that complain that bomber's are too powerful against battleships. That's the way its meant to be, you buffoon. Battleships aren't supposed to be invincible against everything. Heck, if that was the case, the USS Enterprise could've won WWII all by itself, but guess what, that's not that case. The Enterprise needed to have several other cruisers and frigates defending it from bomber attacks (and kamikaze ones too). The next time you get on your battleship, rendezvous with a gunboat or two, their the ships that are meant to take down bombers. Besides, battleships are meant to be the head of the fleet. Their supposed to be well protected, since most of the field commanders are there, so there gotta be some ships around it, don't you think? It just wouldn't make sense if a Liberty Dreadnought invaded Rheinlander alone, it would be a waste of resources and it wouldn't achieve anything at all.

Next up on the issue, What if bombers did get downgraded?...well lets see...pirates would take over NY. Know why? because most, if not all pirates in NY are flying GB's. Lets say bombers can't carry SNAC's anymore. Bye bye, everyone's gonna capwhore. Lets say bomber's agility get reduced. Bye bye, people will complain that taking a GB out in a VHF is soo impossible because their bomber's agility wouldn't be abel to dodge the gunboat shots.. Lets say, their speed is slower. Bye bye, every cap in Sirius could take down bombers, destroying the sole purpose OF a bomber.

Jeez guys...ya'll don't appreciate the bomber enough. I suggest you get an LPI bomber and patrol NY...then you'll really understand why I feel like this...

[JakeSG]

If you're using the 6 key to SNAC, you're doing it wrong:P

Apart from that, bravo.

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For the Core.

[Boss]

I use mousewheel click, myself. However, I approve of this thread.

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Just go play the game and have fun dammit.

all in all the conclusion is that disco doesn't need antagonist factions, it doesn't need phantoms, it doesn't need nomads, it doesn't need coalition and it doesn't need many other things, no AIs, the game is hijacked by morons to confuse the game with their dickwaving generic competition games mixed up with troll-of-the-day.

[frozen]

If you're using the 6 key to SNAC, you're doing it wrong:P

Apart from that, bravo.

pff. say that to the guys that died to my solo 6 kill streak with my waran when i actually could fly properly:D

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[tansytansey]

The way it is.

Also, Gunboats might be designed to take out fighters/bombers but they really are useless unless it's 1v1 or you have rediculously more GBs than Bombers/Fighters. xD

My suggestion to all capital ship owners is to only mobilize your capital ships if there is a threat or objective that requires capital ship support. There's far too many capital ships that just sit idle, I call them bomber meat, because they're just waiting to die.

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[Death.RunningVerminator]

Ok, I haven't read the over 9000 threads this week where people wanted to make the bomber worse than it already is. So I decided, why not create a thread which outlines why a bomber is useful? So that those fools who complained about getting pwned by bomber's actually know why...

First of all, yes VHF's are supposed to be able to take down bombers, which is usually the case. Your complaining that you got pwned by a bomber, in YOUR VHF. I don't care. You know why? The people who can actually take down your VHF in a bomber are rare. Either that, or your flying just sucks. Sorry to be mean, but that's true. Don't judge that since a bomber took down your VHF once, that ALL bomber's can do that, its not true. The people who can do that successfully are rare. Wanna know why its so hard? Bomber's maneuverability is so bad, they have to maneuver their bomber, and in less than less than a second (yes I know what I said), they have to press the '6' key on their keyboards so that they can fire a SNAC. Most bomber's can't do that, because their shields usually go down if they have their hand's on the '6' key the whole time, or they don't actually get the chance to fire their SNAC's coz their too busy dodging your darned Vengeances.

Second, this is for all of your that complain that bomber's are too powerful against battleships. That's the way its meant to be, you buffoon. Battleships aren't supposed to be invincible against everything. Heck, if that was the case, the USS Enterprise could've won WWII all by itself, but guess what, that's not that case. The Enterprise needed to have several other cruisers and frigates defending it from bomber attacks (and kamikaze ones too). The next time you get on your battleship, rendezvous with a gunboat or two, their the ships that are meant to take down bombers. Besides, battleships are meant to be the head of the fleet. Their supposed to be well protected, since most of the field commanders are there, so there gotta be some ships around it, don't you think? It just wouldn't make sense if a Liberty Dreadnought invaded Rheinlander alone, it would be a waste of resources and it wouldn't achieve anything at all.

Next up on the issue, What if bombers did get downgraded?...well lets see...pirates would take over NY. Know why? because most, if not all pirates in NY are flying GB's. Lets say bombers can't carry SNAC's anymore. Bye bye, everyone's gonna capwhore. Lets say bomber's agility get reduced. Bye bye, people will complain that taking a GB out in a VHF is soo impossible because their bomber's agility wouldn't be abel to dodge the gunboat shots.. Lets say, their speed is slower. Bye bye, every cap in Sirius could take down bombers, destroying the sole purpose OF a bomber.

Jeez guys...ya'll don't appreciate the bomber enough. I suggest you get an LPI bomber and patrol NY...then you'll really understand why I feel like this...

/signed

I tried to tell them this...but only a couple would listen to me. Most people just ignore me for some stupid reason.

[Camtheman Of Freelancer4Ever]

Heres the thing, Bombers should never win over fighters. EVER. I dont care if its "rare". VHF's are meant to take out bombers. Currently, 2 VHF's cannot kill two bombers fast enough before it kills the BS. That is not how it should be. This is why fighter's need access to weapons with 1,000 M/s shots so it is far harder to a bomber to keep concentrated on the capital.

[jimmy Patterson]

uh dude enterprise was a CARRIER and she did damn near win the war(at one point she was our only running carrier) anyway i aprove of it but bombers arnt uberpwnzors in world war 2 you needed attack WAVES of bombes to taker out said battleship,destroyer,cxruiser alltho in world war two ships had proper AAA defences

i support bombers but at least make more versions of flak guns ifanything to give the hevy cruisers and the LABC some form of self defence(all cruisers need better defencive guns but the lighter ships can evade more easly)

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[n00bl3t]

uh dude enterprise was a CARRIER and she did damn near win the war(at one point she was our only running carrier) anyway i aprove of it but bombers arnt uberpwnzors in world war 2 you needed attack WAVES of bombes to taker out said battleship,destroyer,cxruiser alltho in world war two ships had proper AAA defences

i support bombers but at least make more versions of flak guns ifanything to give the hevy cruisers and the LABC some form of self defence(all cruisers need better defencive guns but the lighter ships can evade more easly)

Jimmy, you are so foolish.

Let us leave alone the fact that RL is not FL and examine one thing. Do you think bomberwhores care?

Have you missed the bragging posts? "I can kill an immobile BC in my barghest, olololol", and so forth. When, of course, you point out the difference in size:wtfpwn ratio, as well as maneuverability differences, the usual response is something along the lines of "this is not serious business" and similar apathetic responses.

Leaving out the fact that FL is not RL, let us examine the "omg your VHF flying skillz suck0rz olololol" argument. It seems people love, like FL does, to defy physics and have the cake still, after eating it. If bombers are meant to take out BS' every time, then should VHF's not take out bombers, every time?

Swiss cheese was inspired by these threads.

Eh.

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Anything I say is not intended as offensive, and to try and deliberately misinterpret it as such would be an attempt at trolling via misrepresentation.

It's not a conspiracy, it's localised bias. They're not intelligent enough to form a conspiracy.

[jdftheman]

uh dude enterprise was a CARRIER and she did damn near win the war(at one point she was our only running carrier) anyway i aprove of it but bombers arnt uberpwnzors in world war 2 you needed attack WAVES of bombes to taker out said battleship,destroyer,cxruiser alltho in world war two ships had proper AAA defences

i support bombers but at least make more versions of flak guns ifanything to give the hevy cruisers and the LABC some form of self defence(all cruisers need better defencive guns but the lighter ships can evade more easly)

in WW 2 you you didn't need waves of bombers so you would have more firepower, but they were needed to increase the chance of hitting your target because back then, weapons weren't really as accurate as today.

also, if you look at the Bismarck's sinking, you'll see that even though the Royal Navy had pummeled its entire upper deck into oblivion, it were 2 torpedo's, launched from aircraft that caused it to sink. same can be said about the HMS repulse, it got sunk by japanese torpedobombers, only 3 torpedo's were required to cause it to sink.

There is even a more modern example, during the falkland wars, i believe a Royal Navy destroyer was sunk by only 1 bomb. The reason their are virtually no big battleships (except carriers) in active duty is because they don't stand a chance against the cheaper and more versatile aircrafts. Even the biggest US carriers have such large number of escorts because if 1 or 2 bombers could sneak up to them, they could damage it enough for it to go into the drydocks for months.

In freelancer this should be the same in my opinion. And currently, i find the bombers still a little underpowered against caps, but thats just my opinion and i'm not going to ask for it to change, as its all part of the balance.

If people want their fighter to be able to own a bomber in every situation, even though the bomber pilot has much more skill than you, than you must also be willing to allow the bomber to own a battleship in every situation, simple as that.