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Bluntage · 08-29-2009, 04:24 AM,

I have noticed more and more Bounty Hunters taking shelter at Freeport 11 from the Order. Today I saw an Order guy in my group fire a warning shot at a BH at FP11 who then switched to a Zoner Cruiser and started shooting at him for breaking the no fire zone. I want to point out that by warning shot I mean 70% shield loss and that I don't want to flame the guy who did it nor mention his name because I can see where he is coming from as well.

We all know the NFZ is just a role-play rule and not really a rule but it's still enforced server side by players as such so it merits a discussion. Before I start ranting a bit I'd like to point out that some of the best and most respectable/fair people roleplay BH and BHG so it's not me hating anyone who roleplays one.

Zoners like to be neutral with everyone and not cause too much trouble but here's what I don't understand. The Zoners are allies with The Order. Allies...not neutral...Allies. Why would the Zoners allow the BHG to launch attacks from Freeport 11 on their friends? Why wouldn't their friends be allowed to attack their enemies at their friend's bases? This is a special case since the Zoners other allies, the GMG would not have to test this issue.

I personally believe that the Order has a right to attack BH at allied bases, based on their alliance with the Zoners. Now I am not saying that the Order should just launch fleets towards Freeport and start shooting everything up but I do think the whole "You can't attack me here because this a NFZ" is a little strange. And a Zoner firing on Order to protect a BH seems a little OORP if you ask me. I also think it's worth mentioning that the BH have their own base in Delta now and don't really need to be hanging out there anyway.

Let the heated discussion begin!

Bluntage

Quorg · 08-29-2009, 04:29 AM,

Nope. The Zoners wouldn't take such a stupid step.

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Bluntage · 08-29-2009, 04:41 AM,

' Wrote:Nope. The Zoners wouldn't take such a stupid step.

Stupid to protect your friends? What's stupid about that?

Bass_masta992 · 08-29-2009, 04:45 AM,

It risks the station and everyone around it, I hardly consider it protecting friends.

SigCorps · 08-29-2009, 04:45 AM,

Because it ruins our neutrality. We Zoners walk a fine line. We have to treat everyone the same or everyone turns on us. The Order understands this, or at least should. If your an ally, why put us in further danger. Zoner Freeports and the NFZ are applied equally to everyone, with the exception of other zoners. Then again, some of those NFZ laws apply to them also.

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Tenacity · 08-29-2009, 04:54 AM,

Nobody is exempt from the no fire zone.

The ONLY exception, IMO, is when you must engage an opponent within the NFZ in order to preserve the lives aboard the freeport. As an example, if there is a nomad attack against the freeport, then the NFZ is lifted so that order/zoner/bhg/etc pilots can attack the nomads. Another example is when the two Ghost ships (even though they were lolwutters) attacked fp11, and we organized a group of order, zoner, and BHG ships to defend - the fight took place outside of the nfz, but if they had come within the zone we would have continued to combat them.

Quote:Today I saw an Order guy in my group fire a warning shot at a BH at FP11 who then switched to a Zoner Cruiser and started shooting at him for breaking the no fire zone.

That bounty hunter could be sanctioned for re-engagement, and engagement on an OORP basis. You dont switch characters in order to attack someone, no matter what the reason.

The order pilot may have broken an in-RP rule, and as such can be held accountable for his actions by zoners and the order alike, but the bounty hunter broke a server rule, and there's no excuse for that.

08-29-2009, 04:57 AM,

Yeah, agreed with tena.

Nomad NPC's along with Nomad Players may be freely shot within NFZ boundaries when directly threatening the freeport. So I voted no.

Bluntage · (This post was last modified: 08-29-2009, 05:04 AM by Bluntage.)

' Wrote:Because it ruins our neutrality. We Zoners walk a fine line. We have to treat everyone the same or everyone turns on us. The Order understands this, or at least should. If your an ally, why put us in further danger. Zoner Freeports and the NFZ are applied equally to everyone, with the exception of other zoners. Then again, some of those NFZ laws apply to them also.

TENACITY QUOTE (sorry don't know how to display two quotes properly)

The ONLY exception, IMO, is when you must engage an opponent within the NFZ in order to preserve the lives aboard the freeport. As an example, if there is a nomad attack against the freeport, then the NFZ is lifted so that order/zoner/bhg/etc pilots can attack the nomads. Another example is when the two Ghost ships (even though they were lolwutters) attacked fp11, and we organized a group of order, zoner, and BHG ships to defend - the fight took place outside of the nfz, but if they had come within the zone we would have continued to combat them.

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I see where you're both coming from and have some good points. What if the Order is trying to stop a BH with Nomads. In role-play most would consider the Zoners and Order to be the experts. So if an Order ship was trying to prevent an infection of Freeport is that ok? Is there any flexibility in this as far as you can see?

Klaw117 · (This post was last modified: 08-29-2009, 05:24 AM by Klaw117.)

Didn't someone make an RP rule that you can't have Nomads on Freeport 11? I'm inclined to say Jinx made this RP rule, but I'm not sure. If that's the case, then Zoners could restrict the BH from docking and maybe the Order could engage. If that's not the case, then the BH is still protected by the NFZ. However, I can't see a Zoner allowing a BH to dock with Nomads.

On a side note, if a fight was started or someone was provoked outside of the NFZ and someone tries to flee to the NFZ, I think he/she is still liable to get shot because the NFZ doesn't protect engagements/provocations that were started outside the NFZ.

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Corsair · 08-29-2009, 05:57 AM,

The only way for shot to be fired in the NFZ are in self-defense or to defend the station. No exceptions.

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Yes	10.00%	4	10.00%
No	82.50%	33	82.50%
There's a Zoner No Fire Zone?	7.50%	3	7.50%
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