Liberty rogues, Artifacts, Cardi and Outcasts and Corsairs.

[Guest]

Things are changing, now we have three questions here:


First of all, should the Rogues deal with Cardamine AND Artifacts like Ashcroft did in Singleplayer?


Second: Should Rogues be fully allied with Outcasts, if they have both the cardi and arti trades at their doorstep. One would say the outcasts would attack rogues if they would find out, but the Junkers are dealing with this just fine and getting away with their neutrality.



Third, Should Rogues as an npc group, a batch of disorganised criminals, freedom fighters, terrorists, pirates and murderers even have a fixed diplomacy chart? Rogues are a rather unique faction because of what they were and are, so having a fixed reputation sheet would be kinda silly.



Hopefuly we can discuss it here.

[Soul Reaper]

Yep, would be nice. Following the way of ashcroft

Smuggling artifacts means lots of money, rogues need money. Lots of it. Like everyone else

My answer is yes

And the 'seperating-rogues' thing might help, since, all rogues dont have the same story. Some are ruthless, cold blooded murderers, others just, are tired of ''serving'' liberty..and lots of other stuff. Some are just poor losers and need to to unlawful things to get the money they needed, reason why they became a rogue

EDIT: though I didnt get something..why would rogues want to be neutral with outcasts ? (no to that)

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[Dab]

I don't think the Outcasts will mind too much about Rogues transporting Artifacts, so long as they also continue transporting Cardamine.

However, the Rogues shouldn't go neutral in my opinion. The Rogues never really encounter the Corsairs, so they aren't really that big of a factor. However, the Outcasts have a very large presence in Liberty, and know where the Rogue bases are, so they could be formidable enemies. On top of that, currently the Outcasts are also major enemies of the Liberty Government. From my perspective, that's the reason for the alliance. They both fight Liberty, and they both participate in the Cardamine trade. Perhaps neutrality with Corsairs is in order, but I'd say they'd also remain allied to the Outcasts.

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[swift]

The first one, a definite yes.

The second one - maybe. I don't think the Rogues should have a real military alliance with the Outcasts, a friendly cooperation is enough.
'Cause frankly, the Rogues should be able to see it's a matter of time when they start scrapping with Outcasts for "business" grounds.
I'd say they'd keep neutral to the Corsairs and smuggle their artifacts, and be friendly with the Outcasts, but not allied in actuality.

And the third one, well, yes and no. I think they should have a set diplomacy for some key factions, but generally keep a case by case basis thing for others.

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[Guest]

Yes
No
Yes (Sorta.)

For the first one. I've already said my views in another thread.

For the second one. Why? You stay allied with the Outcasts, you get all the benefits while still making more income from the artifact trade. As long as you don't get caught doing it in the big leagues.

For the third one.

If you now start ignoring the canon diplomacy and operating as individuals then it is a bit in impossible for the LR- to exist in the current form.

You'd be forced to become either MLR- (Mort's Liberty Rogues) or SLR- (Slypheeds Blah blah) since you as a faction, can have no true leader so you would have to start RPing as a smaller section of the Rogues. You'd all be in your own little groups therefore the admins could ban all of you for the actions of a few. (Not that it'll get that bad but still.)

Apologies if that makes no sense and seems like I'm forcing something on you. I've had two hours sleep in the past two days. Sindy, PM me if it makes no sense to you and I'll try and explain it better after I've had some sleep.

[Grimly]

1) yes - Nothing to justify I guess
2) yes - Corsairs should still stay out of Liberty and the Outcasts should feel the help from rogues like a "navies are our enemies too".
3) don't know.

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[reavengitair]

Yes, definatley.

but corsairs in liberty - GET OUT! NAU!

[Exsiled_one]

Well... Its a difficult question.
I see no problem in LR taking artifacts from Junker bases and smuggling it onward. LR would smuggle their mother if they could profit from it imo.

But neutrality alliance with Corsairs, no way.
I dont want LIBERTY rogues in Corsair space on daily basis, they're too much of criminals and tension. Besides, OC would frown on that heavily.

As far as diplomacy go, i see Liberty Rogue groups as terrorist cells.
Like you have terrorist cells in... lets say England, you have more of them. Together they are terrorists of england, but they do not even have to work with each other, just get out of each other's way.
IMO every LR faction thats official or starting as young should have their own diplomacy chart.

m2c


As for Corsairs in liberty, I have nothing against corsair smuggler in liberty. Not pirate, not gunboat, but smuggler. Escorts are allright, in small numbers, but deffinatley no "MASS LANDING ON MANHATTAN LOL"

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[jdftheman]

I don't think that a neutrality is needed with the corsairs as technically the rogues don't get there artifacts directly from them. If i recall the rumors, corsairs take the artifacts to hawaii, from hawaii the hogosha takes them to the lane hacker base in gallileo, and from there they are distributed over liberty by the rogues.

[Marcus Lindberg]

I haven't read everyone's post yet, but I thought I should give some input.

Your allied to the outcasts since 813, you do not however allow them to bring in destroyer's and what not into Liberty, so even though you are allied to them they don't control you completely.

However, you are, as far as I know, being an ally of the OC, means your at war with the corsairs, hogosha and AFA. That's also why you signed the treaty with the outcasts in the first place.

So I think you shouldn't be dealing in artifacts anymore, it would be damn near impossible to get any anyways considering your now an enemy of the corsairs. And besides, the corsairs don't allow Zoner's to mine the artifacts in Theta, therefore zoner's don't have access to it either, and that's the only real way you'd be able to get your hands on artifacts.

So I vote, no, stop smuggling in artifacts. Besides, Ashcroft smuggled in the artifacts back in 800, and you signed the alliance with the OC back at 813, so a lot of things may have changed by now.