' Wrote:Kusari has the best cruiser in the mod, and it's getting a battlecruiser in the next update. Kusari is fine for capship variety.
See Bretonia needs more loving hehe
Um maybe the Main focus should be on Bretonia a smaller focus on Rheinland
I dont know maybe Bretonia should get a Carrier (yes that taboo word again) a Cruiser and a Dreadnaught
Rheinland can have a cruiser an battle cruiser
Kusari dont need a battle cruiser an cruiser they have 1 of them an one if already on the drawing boards... for next update sigh (hehe poor neglected bretonia)
Quote: Dont forget traders, corsairs and bucaneers
@ the Dont forget traders
Traders seem to have more Big Capital vessels than the entire houses of sirius combined that seems a joke there is extreme variety all you have to do is look at a house even there is MORE trade ship variety.
@ Pirates they dont need more variety at the present time since they obviously have WAYY! more resources than a extremely large house an organised govt.
@ Zoners I laugh an cry this is a people who are more rag tag border world blow ins an outs which in theory should have less resources than pirates since it is only a group of people. Yet somewere they have more resources an shipyards than the entire houses of Liberty an are much better equiped than most I laugh because their variety in capital ships makes Bretonia look like the rag tag group of people that have come together with only a few types of ships.
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Ok sorry i just got sick of repeating this question 4 times with no sort of answer. Would it not be a good idea to pull designs from starlancer history books for british ships making it easier for developers skinners modelers what ever programmers computer whizs hence Bretonia might actually get to see new capital ships rather than it being attempted an then being chucked in the too hard basket or it doesnt look quite right etcetc. If someone counters with aw shucks Its going out of the Bretonian style I will cry because seeing threads that is what has been said before but im also poking at has not the style for freelancer already been bent out of shape so far it looks nothing to how it originally did that there are so many different styles variations an things. I think the logical conclusion is that it would be ok to let it slide FOR roleplay purposes as many things seem to have already an would it not be logical for a shipwright to look back through history an go that looks like it has worked in the past ok what the hell we'll give it a go but build it better with better technology.
' Wrote:Bretonia is the bane of many a modeller. Their unique style of ships makes it hard to create larger ships that don't look too much like..well..fish.
I know Jinx has tried several times and not had too much success.
Still, Rheinland could do with some of this attention too. Battlecruisers really are a useful class of vessels and to ignore them is unwise.
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An if anyone says lets put restrictions on cap ships for bretonia have a big dregnaught that can only be used once or twice for special role play YOUR NOT HELPING!!!! an it would be completely utterly unfair when every other house an the massively over resourced zoners an pirates have capital ships with no restrictions. An restrictions not only being unfair would Null the whole point of my thread of Creating CAPITAL Ship variety if you want to talk about restrictions go talk about weapons or dietry requirements an what you shouldnt eat. This is a thread for the purpose of making more types of capital ships for very neglected house fleets not how we can make the issue worse.
// Sorry just woken up an am very cranky not anyones fault so i do apologise if i sound like im cranky at anyone Im not on that note im off to cook dinner
/shrug - maybe you re lucky and epyon really manages to finish this bretonian dreadnought AND it is approved by the dev team.
about zoners and your anger about it...
have you "ever" considered that they have 1) evolved from their vanilla state and 2) the "rag tag" label is a fascade? - i m not saying it is or they have... but have you actually considered these possibilities?
' Wrote:/shrug - maybe you re lucky and epyon really manages to finish this bretonian dreadnought AND it is approved by the dev team.
about zoners and your anger about it...
have you "ever" considered that they have 1) evolved from their vanilla state and 2) the "rag tag" label is a fascade? - i m not saying it is or they have... but have you actually considered these possibilities?
Indeed I have considered these possibilities but I have also considered that there growth, construction abilities etc would even if they had banded together not been on par with that of a house that is fully resourced with stable (till the war occured) resources an abilities to build an infrastructure etc
They may even get to be on par with a house but not liberally an so extremely out match one in so much power with what originally was so little when a house had so much. it is just a rediculous concept
Edit: AN yes my fingers are crossed Epyon finishes that dreadnaught the Balance finally will show the begginnings of repair
maybe bretonia has 1000 battleships - and zoners only those that are played by players. - it also says that gunboats are mass produced - so bretonia also has literally countless of those.
zoner ships are rather rare - so maybe its only those ships you actually SEE that are zoner warships. - while for the bretonian army, its only the tip of the iceberg you see as played by players.
and all that does still not hint at massive dreadnoughts and marvelous wonders of military technology. - it "might" but at the same time, it also might not.
for example - you see bretonian NPC gunboat and battleship patrols... you don t see zoner ones anywhere. - you re comparing a possible lore capacity of deployed warships with what you actually see. - if you go that path, - the corsairs can easily overrun the whole of gallia.
but there, we assume that gallia has a larger army, don t we? - and they also don t need mega dreadnoughts, they simply deploy two battleships on each one battleship that attacks them - and for that, they can also be average battleships.
the whole comparison of the houses is strange.
so bretonia has less "choices" but no one really says if they simply have a greater number of what they got. - so maybe kusari has a battlecruiser..... - but why don t you argue ... "bretonia has three times the number of cruisers"
its like the order and BHG - the order caps are stronger than the BHG ones. - the solution, - the BHG as a larger organization deploys 2:1 - cause they can - and its in RP.
the power of the houses is that they can deploy a lot more ships than the average rim worlds group. - the advantage of numbers is that they don t need to be as sophisticated or advanced ( limited ) - so when you re able to simply outnumber the enemy 10:1 - the enemy can have a much higher technological standard - and will still loose.
maybe bretonia has 1000 battleships - and zoners only those that are played by players. - it also says that gunboats are mass produced - so bretonia also has literally countless of those.
zoner ships are rather rare - so maybe its only those ships you actually SEE that are zoner warships. - while for the bretonian army, its only the tip of the iceberg you see as played by players.
and all that does still not hint at massive dreadnoughts and marvelous wonders of military technology. - it "might" but at the same time, it also might not.
for example - you see bretonian NPC gunboat and battleship patrols... you don t see zoner ones anywhere. - you re comparing a possible lore capacity of deployed warships with what you actually see. - if you go that path, - the corsairs can easily overrun the whole of gallia.
but there, we assume that gallia has a larger army, don t we? - and they also don t need mega dreadnoughts, they simply deploy two battleships on each one battleship that attacks them - and for that, they can also be average battleships.
the whole comparison of the houses is strange.
so bretonia has less "choices" but no one really says if they simply have a greater number of what they got. - so maybe kusari has a battlecruiser..... - but why don t you argue ... "bretonia has three times the number of cruisers"
its like the order and BHG - the order caps are stronger than the BHG ones. - the solution, - the BHG as a larger organization deploys 2:1 - cause they can - and its in RP.
Indeed its obviously Moot I guess in Rp the zoners would be easily overpowered by the many fleets of Bretonia.
How ever with the military technology the Bretonians would be more advance that is a given.
But isnt it time to start showing it. I mean sure you can *RP pretend* that bretonia has thousands more cruisers when it actual fact physically it doesnt
Im not pointing fingers in the sense of Zoners are immensely more powerful in fleet strengh Im pointing at the obvious lack of player capital ship type in bretonian fleet. Surely enough there should be cruisers dreadnaughts an carriers playable by the players themselves to roleplay as they see fit. Zoners seem to have a much more immense capship variety for players to actually use it just doesnt seem all that right.
It is why I reckon Balance needs to be restored to the houses that are neglected in cap ships Bretonia has a mere destroyer gunship an a light battleship playable by players for role play it seems extremely neglected when you compare it to the other houses. Rheinland has its Millions of fighter types yet lacks major capital ship type variation give them a cruiser that players could use.
In essence when a player is roleplayer with other players there is obviously not going to always be multiple players around to come an role play with them hence they should get given an even chance. But im not even thinking about even chance here Im just saying the obvious of the lack of capital ship variation an types in the Bretonian an RHeinland house fleets playable by players.
Yes it is obvious to me they have enormous fleets with cruisers an dreadnaughts an what not but none of them are open for players to use it is all in our minds
Simple or so it seems to be.
Capital ships
Frigates for all houses
Cruisers an battle cruisers for bretonia an RHeinland to which they lack but need ( Kusari have the first an are getting latter)
Light carriers to all houses
Carriers to Bretonia, Kusari an Rheinland
Dreadnaughts to Bretonia (Kusari battleship is pretty much a dreadnaught an im not sure if rheinland needs one)
THis effectively gives Proper equal balance to capital ship types for all houses the abilities for players to role play such and adds proper cap ship variation
The main thing I recommend is probably just take out a few of or restrict the use of capital ships in Liberty. There's a large amount of Battlecruisers, Battleships and Carriers, but no-one ever seems to want to use the ol' siege cruiser. Thanks to Liberty having so many damn capships floating around and taking the credit from all the fighters who are protecting their colossal asses from bombers, all the other houses seem to have small numbers in comparison. At least in my eyes.
...it is time to place that here...
(read: Recon Assault Frigates)
Dont get that idea adandoned, get it done and get it into the game.
And dont make it a Cruiser (MND ID dont allow those) or just add to the MND ID that this special ship is allowed for them when some ship of such a class gets in.
And also.... when we are on it....
...can someone remodel the "Mjolnir" bomber? It looks just great, but that wrong texture, the cockpit and that aerial/satellite antenna .... no comment.
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