Apocalypse Assault Wing - current status

[TheMillers]

I voted Yes, and No. Frankly you have had all chances to resolve the situation between you and the guild amicably. Instead you managed to get hostile with about every faction in the Omicrons, and while trying to discuss the Apocalypse situation on the forums, every thread where you did not get unconditional support, you left or asked for it to be locked.
That indicates that you were NOT interested in working within the framework of the recognised Discovery RP storyline, but wanted to import your own "Apocalypse Now movie" storyline, in order to retroactively justify your pew-pew capraidwhoring into Gamma.

Frankly, what the Admins have done, is to accomodate you - Renegades can not resupply at bases belonging to the factions they have rebelled against - Yet you and your group has continued to enter Guild homespace to aquire new ships.
Renegades can not resupply at the bases of the factions you have alienated - so naturally you can't resupply at the FP's..

You are reaping what rebellions generally sow. Deal with it. Make it difficult and longlasting for the remaining Apocalypse vessels to be killed - Run, evade, and use the time to ROLEPLAY.. That is probably the ONLY way you and your group can even try to redeem yourself, thereby MAYBE becoming eglible for a terrorist ID.

Whining here, trying to make it a Trial By Forum issue, doesn't give you much support.

As for your sanction. This section is NOT the place for a discussion about it. The ONLY place for a discussion about it, is in the sanction thread. Deal with the issue THERE, not here - Again, Trial by Forum issues do not work.

Oh, and IBTL

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[Elektrik]

Apocalypse wing do RP....
People who met us in the game saw our RP...and I am sure it was good as theirs...
We do not powergame....and its not our way of game to go around and shoot everyone...
Those who were attacked by us...started it first...or were RP explained why are they being attack...( and our RP is about being rouge and been hated by factions around our base od operations..currently planet Primus system Omicron Kappa)
We have RP-ed our every action....so what is the problem ?

Half of people didn`t met us in the game....and guess they hate us becouse they heard something from people that have something against us....

If discovery server is about RP...why are we being punished for doing RP above default RP ( and I mean by that..protecting our planets..trading and everything that NPC do)

If you look at the evidence most of times we were acused for something in the game...evidences turned out to be fake or not even evidences...

So what did apocalypse done to any players ?

Except bringing something new and interesting in RP of server....

Edit: I see you mentioned players that have`t RPed...some players were new to the gruop and to the game...they were learning they RP in group chat so they wouldn`t go OORP in system one...I guess being quiet until they learn is better than to go OORP everytime someone says somthing in system chat..

[mjolnir]

1. No
2. No

I don't see why the robots can be limiting your docking rights tbh, so for me it's just fine if you stay on Gammu. As for the ID I dunno which to use.

EDIT: Removing cap 8 for firing on Zoner Whale is really a bit too much, specially if he was in rp "involved" in an attack.

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Igiss says: Martin, you give them a finger, they bite off your arm.

[mwerte]

Mjolnir, that was his 7th sanction, and the previous time he was warned next time he showed up he'd lose his cap 8.

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[BillG8s]

ahahahahahhaa, joined and changed name yesterday.
Well seems my BHG BC with cap 8 truly bited the dust.

Even wrote me a fine start at biographies/stories aswell.
Hmm, how to salvage anything from this?

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Simply the best red ship ever

[Dab]

Pretty much I gave up on Apocalypse when I saw, over the course of two days, BHG Makos and Bombers grouped with a GMG Kaichou bomber and worse, an Outcast Trident Gunship, all grouped together and using the Apocalypse tag. May I please ask why you had GMG and Outcast ships along with your BHG ships?

And yes, I reported you for firing on my unarmed Zoner Borderworld Transport.. Unarmed. And you shot it with a BS. I could understand if you sent a bomber after me, I'd deal with it, but a BS?

Also, once you fought 3 different Zoners, after the fight you -docked- Freeport 11.. Where is the RP in that?

Where is the RP in twice-a-day raids on Omicron Minor? Where is the RP in daily raids on Omicron Gamma? Where did your 'giant infrastructure on Planet Gammu' come from? How are you able to supply your ships when Zoners, BHG, Order, and Corsairs are all kicking you out of their territory? This is simply reality catching up with you, now you have to either figure out a way to reconcile with the Zoners and/or BHG, or you'll die off.. Simple as that. It's forcing you to act responsibly rather than using game mechanics to get what you want so you can capwhore everyone you see.


@mjolnir, the problem is that Gammu and Primus are using the Zoner faction, and Apoc was made hostile to Zoner NPCs so they couldn't powergame docking on FPs..


In short, yes and no. Yes, you were treated fairly, you brought all of this on yourself.

No, you don't deserve a terrorist ID. That requires a very good story and reason.. You're just capwhoring everyone, that's not RP worthy of it.

And yes, the sanction was extremely harsh because that was your seventh sanction on this server. It was not bred out of the fact that anyone likes me more than you. It was the consequences of your own actions that got you in this position.

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[Elektrik]

That indicates that you were NOT interested in working within the framework of the recognised Discovery RP storyline, but wanted to import your own "Apocalypse Now movie" storyline, in order to retroactively justify your pew-pew capraidwhoring into Gamma.

Actually Apocalypse_Now took the character from that movie and put it in the Discovery Universe....
Who take a role as Colonel Kurtz...and has its RP story in story and biography section...
He isn`t in vietnam and part of american army....so what does apocalypse now movie storyline has to do anything with this ???

[Dusty Lens]

Hello.

Your cap 8 was taken from you because it was your 7th sanction. Your 6th sanction for pvp abuse rules. Such as engaging without warning, re-engaging and so on. To be brutally honest if Hoodlum was on the clock you would probably have been perma banned.

The Apoc group, as outlined in the sanction, was given the treatment it received due entirely as repercussions for your in game actions. Between the Bounty Hunter pilots, Order pilots, mercs and freelancers in GMG bombers, Outcast gunships, Order carriers, Hunter ships of all sizes and so on you have proceeded to kill, piss off and generally alienate yourselves in the face of every single group in the region.

On top of, yes still, docking on Freeports to recharge you basically decided to "claim" a derelict Zoner planet as your base of operations, from which you would manage to somehow maintain a capfleet with which to Engagaging the locals to your hearts content.

All three groups separately condemned you and decided to kick you to the curb. Your Order players by the Order. Your Hunters by the Hunters and all of you by the Zoners.

So, as outlined in the sanction, we simply pulled the levers to provide an ounce of reality to the situation. Same as I would do for any Hogosha transport running neutral to the LSF whilst hauling artifacts through Alaska.

Dab provided the grounds for the Zoners accepting you back into the fold. I'm sure Athenian might be receptive to the same. Or, barring that, you could declare the Apocalypse adventure more or less come to a close and suggest to us another local to which you might like to be settled. Gallia or something similar.

Until you work to undo the situation you now find yourself in, however, be prepared to "lose" any ships destroyed in combat.

It's all very Battlestar Galactica.

[TheMillers]

Actually Apocalypse_Now took the character from that movie and put it in the Discovery Universe....
Who take a role as Colonel Kurtz...and has its RP story in story and biography section...
He isn`t in vietnam and part of american army....so what does apocalypse now movie storyline has to do anything with this ???

WHEN did he do it ? When did he become the Sirius equivalent of Marlon Brando's character in that movie ? I'll tell you : AFTER he was requested by a BHG Guildmaster, under official faction right #2, to STOP capraidwhoring into Gamma.

I recall the actual incident when the Apocalypse ships were declared renegades - the first thing out in system chat, when Guildmaster Greves showed up, was "//So now you have called an admin on me LOL" - Dispite the fact that it was a Guildmaster character showing up, a Guildmaster character requesting him to follow the guild canon and adhere to Guildmaster orders. It was not an Admin[xxxx] character telling him that. After that, in order to retroactively justify the actions, Col. Kurz became the Sirius Alter Ego of Marlon Brando's character from the movie.

Let me tell you, that was the wrong way of doing it. If he had wanted his Col. Kurz character to be a renegade from the start of creating that character - As in having an RP idea for his char - He would have started by being a hunter, slowly expressing dissatisfaction with the guild and the way the guild ran stuff, then finally going renegade. There was ZERO RP down that line, forumwise and ingame wise prior to the incident where he was asked to stop the capraidwhoring raids.
Any RP has since tried to retroactively justify it, and personally I find that the RP wasn't that good at all, with about zero, nill, zilch relevance whatsoever in the finely crafted Discovery mod canon.

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[Lunaphase]

i voted yes and no. You continued to use game mechanics to justify all the ships you were losing, and every time you got stomped you went ooc and whined about overkill. Irony much? You knew this was coming, you decided to piss off EVERYONE you came in contact with. several of your members cant even figure out how to type a proper combat notice, and ive had a few of em randomly just worldlessy haul off on my merc character, no RP whatsoever , nothing done to you. You Reap what you have Sown. Time to collect the crops.

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