Admin Note: Faction right #5

[jammi]

Look end of the story is TBH is a Corsair faction, the oldest Corsair faction on the server and one that has been around longer than the Benitez and OPG combined, yet you seem to think it's right to make us less than the other Corsair factions, which is bull. You go ahead and try, I will make sure there are severe in-rp consequences to trying to marginilize TBH. You want TBH hostile to OPG? This is the way to do it.

So, the way to get hostile with a faction, is to annoy their leader outside of role play? Good to know.

EDIT: Borderworld =/= Outcast.
EDIT: I remember the inRP repercussions the Buccaneers faced when the Brotherhood declared a jihad on us. I think we saw Zelot... Once? Even then he failed to catch us, and we carried on pirating.:P

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[Zelot]

So, the way to get hostile with a faction, is to annoy their leader outside of role play? Good to know.

EDIT: Borderworld =/= Outcast.

You dont see this as an attack on the TBH? I do, Mule is trying to paint TBH as somehow less than other Corsair factions, it's a tactic that has been being used by OPG and Benitez against TBH for some time now, just go look at the wiki page for the Corsair, edited by Carlos himself to make TBH somehow the bad guy, and here we have Mule trying to remove official rights from TBH, well, this is a political attack on TBH, just as rp as anything else. How would you have me respond to political attacks against my faction Jammi?



And for TBH yes, BW=OC, I dont care what you think on that one, a BW ship that comes across TBH's scanners is the same as an OC ship. You can argue how thats not true all you want, not going to change the way TBH views it nor the way they treat the Bucs. You want a neutral ship, go get an eagle, hawk or falcon, they are neutral.




EDIT: Aside from that, no one has given me a good reason why if TBH submits a legitimate FR5 request it should be turned down. Isnt that what this thread was about?

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[MarvinCZ]

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Sorry, I'm not helping anything.

Edit: If you submit a legitimate request, it should be accepted. The question will be if the request is legitimate. In other words, if there is enough reason for the request.

[jammi]

You dont see this as an attack on the TBH? I do, Mule is trying to paint TBH as somehow less than other Corsair factions, it's a tactic that has been being used by OPG and Benitez against TBH for some time now, just go look at the wiki page for the Corsair, edited by Carlos himself to make TBH somehow the bad guy, and here we have Mule trying to remove official rights from TBH, well, this is a political attack on TBH, just as rp as anything else. How would you have me respond to political attacks against my faction Jammi?

Point is, this isn't Elders bickering in the Council Thread threatening to strip your power. This is people bickering outside of RP about whether or not the Council should have those power. Whether or not TBH has those powers is a different matter. I think my point was, you couldn't declare war on the Council factions just because they'd annoyed you in this thread.

Also, I don't think you, the OPG or the Bentiez can claim the moral highground in any of these civil war things. All three of you have acted pathetically at points. I should know, I've been in the Benitez since '07.

And for TBH yes, BW=OC, I dont care what you think on that one, a BW ship that comes across TBH's scanners is the same as an OC ship. You can argue how thats not true all you want, not going to change the way TBH views it nor the way they treat the Bucs. You want a neutral ship, go get an eagle, hawk or falcon, they are neutral.

Fair enough. I respect that.

EDIT: No that's not what this thread is about. See above. I'll bold the bit this part of the thread is about.

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[Athenian]

I imagine that a decision to alter someone's reputation status in the case of a group that is represented in-game by more than one faction may require a level of discussion and agreement unlike anything witnessed so far here.

All official factions have this right. Each case will be decided on the merits of each case, and the Admins will deal with each case as and when they arise. Until that actually happens, maybe we could chill and go read one of Tenacity's threads about the update. Apparently, he's not happy.

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[Zelot]

Point is, this isn't Elders bickering in the Council Thread threatening to strip your power. This is people bickering outside of RP about whether or not the Council should have those power. Whether or not TBH has those powers is a different matter. I think my point was, you couldn't declare war on the Council factions just because they'd annoyed you in this thread.

Also, I don't think you, the OPG or the Bentiez can claim the moral highground in any of these civil war things. All three of you have acted pathetically at points. I should know, I've been in the Benitez since '07.

Fair enough. I respect that.

EDIT: No that's not what this thread is about. See above. I'll bold the bit this part of the thread is about.

No Jammi, the question Mule brought up is that the Council should have the powers and they should be removed from TBH. And yes, none of the factions have the moral high ground, I just dont like it when they act like they do. Go read the wiki page, see how it paints TBH in comparison to the other factions. If you think it's impartial your nuts.

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[Muleo]

Uh if you were willing to let go of your supremacist pride and rejoin the council, we would probably more than happily accept you back in. Neither the OPG or Benitez are trying to downplay you as a faction. The point is you aren't in the Council. Therefore why should the privileges go to a faction that doesn't want any of the responsibilities?

My point is: by all means do your own thing, but without wanting/bothering to cooperate, don't expect that you should be making decisions for the Corsairs as a whole.

[Zelot]

Uh if you were willing to let go of your supremacist pride and rejoin the council, we would probably more than happily accept you back in. Neither the OPG or Benitez are trying to downplay you as a faction. The point is you aren't in the Council. Therefore why should the privileges go to a faction that doesn't want any of the responsibilities?

You weren't kicked out of the Council. You left.
We aren't trying to make you a lesser Corsair faction. You are simply unwilling to accept us as equals and can't accept anything less.
I don't remember OPG threatening to attack FTG, maybe that was Gentle. Our main problem was that you were circumventing the Council.
Yes the FTG and Buc events were similar. You were unwilling to cooperate in both cases.

Edit: and yes we could come back to the council, we have been asked several times, and each time I have said we will not return without a garentee that factions will be able to conduct thier own diplomacy, and each time that has not happened. Seems like OPG can make it's own diplomacy though...how intresting.




We accept all Corsairs as equal, we just wanted the ability to make deals with people ourselves, and were told that was unacceptable, that the OPG had to get a cut of the profit from any deals that were made with other factions. This is not about cooperation, it's about the OPG not allowing things to happen that they dont personally profit from. Yes the FTC and Bucs situations are similar, in the FTC situation, the Brotherhood was told it was not allowed to make deals with outside groups, and in the Buc situation, OPG (I guess) was told it can make those deals. I dont see how us cooperating or not makes a diffrence.

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[Exsiled_one]

They still are the official faction and receive benefits from that.
Apart from that you both could use a kick in the balls.

I am sorry if Asno and Benitez are trying to powerplay you down, I certainly have only one issue with TBH. I'ld like to see more of them.

As for council, council is one entity above the factions that are in it. So when elder speaks, others listen. TBH can't be ostracized from the Corsairs just because they are not there.
On the other hand Zelot, Bucaneers did not strike a deal with OPG - for OPG.
They struck a deal with OPG for Corsairs. Let me show you how.
We removed them from Omega 3, they don't pirate there, in exchange of OPG not pirating in leeds. Other Corsairs are more than welcome to raise hell there.

They are bringing food to Crete and taking artifacts. That does not sound to me like a deal for OPG only. All in all, it sounds like a sacrifice from OPG (bye bye piracy of noiobium miners at their mining spot), for benefit of roleplay towards entier Corsairs.
The borderworld thing i can understand, besides it's Gamma, you have right to blast them. Question is should you. I guess things went wrong and if they entered only with trains and transports no TBH would mind. Ofcourse, that's the way it should be because who the hell would attack a food convoy in Gamma.


As for rule 5. Every official faction can invoke it. Question is will admins give it a green light or not. I dont think noone is trying to take that from you Zelot.
But yeah, this grudge is like million years old. You both deserve a kick in the nuts for taking it here.


Njnjaedit: I dont think any corsair faction should make private deals like that. Deal the OPG did is not close to benitez deal or the TBH deal.
I certainly don't want million of traders popping out around Crete saying "i've got deal with him, I've got deal with him!"
Bucanners agreed to bring food, don't forget that. Things were still on the basis of "everyone with food is welcome"

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[Zelot]

All official factions have this right.

@everyone, I think this covers it, peace, I am out of this one.

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