Most "powerful" house (within RP)

[teschy]

Where, mate? There is nothing in the Wiki, which would justify the statement, that Liberty is superiour to others these days. Maybe when looking at the finances, but hey... finances are nothing, compared to convinced people.

I would be pleased about every link, which leads me on my way to more knowledge.

Most of the stuff can be found in game, through news, rumors and infocards. But take note that I'm talking -vanilla- here. Pretty much all that was added on Disco doesn't make sense (Gallia, the Kusari-Bretonia war, etc.)

The rest is here:

http://www.7crows.com/files/Freelancer%20L...%20Overview.pdf
http://www.7crows.com/files/Freelancer%2...action.pdf

And I'm sure there are other documents that complete the set, but I don't have to spoon feed them to you.

[... kur nubėgo?]

In Vanilla, Rheinland had the greatest military force.

Now, Liberty has twice as much firepower than Rheinland.

They've also got that big carrier thing (even though 2 bombers could wtfpwn it).

Experience and tactics can only take you somewhere, organization and logistics is required. The Hispanians don't have that.

The diffrence is even that hispania has less population, each citizen has a ready to fight ship (each 16 yars boy flies without shield to distend jumphole) and knows who to use it. Corsairs starts flying from very ealy age. Also, they have best materials in Crete to make warships.

Outcasts has cardamine. It makes them more supreme pilots.

Gallia is a huge house, but it is suffering civil war. Anyhow Hispania decedents fights each other too.


Ph also about supreme power and warships and tactics.. gmg pwned Rheinland.



About dragons being best pilots, well just Ozu said it. And it's netural for him to prise his group.

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[obnoxious1]

after thinking over all options.. I think the combined Hispania forces would come out on top & here is why..

Both Outcast & Corsairs have made a living off Pirating & smuggling, both have powerful ships, weapons & good pilots. Where they have the advantage is their ability to wage a guerrilla type war.
Knowing the trade lanes, jump holes & hidden routes, they can strike from anywhere. Preying on supply ships that feed a houses economy. With out supplies, the houses fall. Utilizing their combined alliances with other unlawful groups, The combined Hispania forces would just about be impossible to stop.

In the same thought process, Combined Junker/Zoner union could topple just about any house by cutting off supplies as well.

Experience and tactics can only take you somewhere, organization and logistics is required. The Hispanians don't have that.

I completely disagree, If anything, Combined Hispania has more logistics value than most houses.
Vast fleets of large capacity smuggling ships on both sides transport numerous tons of Cardamine and artifacts. Thus would easily be able to supply any force in a siege situation.

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[kuth]

@ Obnoxious

Even if Corsairs and Outcasts combined, they wouldn't be able to defeat the likes of Liberty or Gallia. Perhaps Bretonia and a BIG maybe on Rheinland.

Remember, the Houses have the BHG and other lawful groups that themselves know how to pirate and smuggle and know the hidden routes and jump holes. Fact stands that the Houses are much more organized and would be able to defend their supply lines. Yes, the Sair/Casts would be able to pirate some of the supplies, but not enough to even dent the House militaries.

Utilizing their alliances with other groups wouldn't help either. Some of those groups would then turn on them if the Sairs/Casts tried to occupy House space. Not to mention the Houses themselves have allies.

While I love the Sairs and the Casts to a lesser degree, they would not be able to get past their differences and even if they did they don't have the ability to wage a full on war and win. They could probably fight a good guerrilla war, but Liberty and Gallia could manage that for eternity. Bretonia and Rheinland could probably do so to.

Quite trying to combine the sairs and casts. It wouldn't happen, therefore it isn't an option.

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[kuth]

, Combined Junker/Zoner union could topple just about any house by cutting off supplies as well.
I completely disagree, If anything, Combined Hispania has more logistics value than most houses.
Vast fleets of large capacity smuggling ships on both sides transport numerous tons of Cardamine and artifacts. Thus would easily be able to supply any force in a siege situation.

You cannot feed soldiers with carda and artifacts. You cannot build the sheer number of ships the Houses can. The Hispanians don't have the logistics to support a prolonged war with a house.

They could as I said perform a nice guerilla war, but most if not all of the Houses could stand up to that for a long long time. How long do you think Crete woudl fare against the full force of a Liberty or Gallic invasion? Not long. Though I doubt Gallia could reach that far.

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[Death.RunningVerminator]

Well if you think Liberty has lolcaps, and a lot of them... compared to combined hispania, they have zip, nada, zero, blarg! So hispania would definitely demolish any other house.

As for Gallia, maybe one house could fall from it.. but that's about it. It's not as strong as most people think. And hell, there's barely any lawful players in the house, defeat = gallia.

[kuth]

Well if you think Liberty has lolcaps, and a lot of them... compared to combined hispania, they have zip, nada, zero, blarg! So hispania would definitely demolish any other house.

As for Gallia, maybe one house could fall from it.. but that's about it. It's not as strong as most people think. And hell, there's barely any lawful players in the house, defeat = gallia.

This isn't from a player standpoint. The amount of lolwuts a house has has nothing to do with it. The amount of players a house has also has nothing to do with it.

He is asking you to step back from the game as a player and view the Houses and such from an outside view point.

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[Alex.]

Combined Hispania is a epic win...

/signed

And Gallia could almost certainly take on 1 other house.

[Corsair]

I say Kusari.

Liberty and Rheinland are pouring huge amounts of resources into their war. Kusari could easily charge in through the back door and take Liberty down, if they had a whim to. The war with Bretonia is a joke, they are losing so hard. Gallia might be able to wipe out the Hispanians, but the losses incurred from that would be great. The Hispanians would be fighting on their home turf, and have that advantage. But Gallia is frickin' huge. It's only a matter of time before Malta and Crete were overrun.

If Kusari rides to the assist of Rheinland, we can ultimately see it either falling or Surrenduring, reducing Liberty to a few core systems, with Kusari taking dominion over Colorado, Kepler, and Galileo. This kind of military control would likely stamp out most of the Lane Hacker presence in the systems, and have Rheinland claim Bering (Except for the Freeport), Hudson, and Texas. Liberty would lose it's main prison facilities, seeing an exponential growth of pirate activity in Liberty.

Liberty would be reduced to New York, California, and their Guard systems. Terms for their surrender would be harsh, even to the point of gaining information about Gate/Lane construction. Rheinland and Kusari would turn then on Bretonia, and either force them to surrender or completely wipe them out.

During this time, though, military power would be stretched, and the Blood Dragons or other insurgent groups would have more and more openings to strike, possibly installing the Shogunate while Kusari is pressed at two points. This new leader may sympathize for Liberty, and turn it's forces on Rheinland instead. Liberty would then turn a blind eye to the war between Bretonia and Kusari.

There's a lot of possibilities. I stick with my opinion that Kusari is the strongest house military-wise, due to the fact that it's war is easier than the other House's.

EDIT: After reading teschy's links, I wonder now why the Order and Liberty are at war. Seems kind of.. Against the whole reason they were formed.

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[Shagohad]

I voted Liberty. They dominate everything economically and can just build new ships to replace the lost ones. With an advantage like that, they can recklessly lose ships and not suffer at all.

I still think Gallia is the most powerful. I had heard that their navy is larger than the entirety of the houses of Sirius, including combined Hispania. With sheer numbers, you can Zerg rush anything into the stone age.

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