Liberty Navy [LN] Feedback Thread

[Sturmwind]

I see.

I understand that it was an enormous level of OORP actions from the Sturmvolk to enter Alaska, I honestly can't imagine a single RP reason that justifies a Rheinland Battleship being present there. As for me, I am really ashamed for the behaviour of this person and I would also like to mention that we are already dealing with it.

I also understand you attempted to chase him down, destroy the data collected, etc.

But to chase it into the very core of Rheinland? That's like responding (excuse me for the word) lolwuttery with lolwuttery. Imagine it this way: There is a reason why Hamburg is not yet taken by Libertonians. That reason is that there are heavy capital ship and fighter patrols keeping it secure all day. Yes, I know it's not like that in-game, but in-RP, it's pretty much the way it is. An entering Liberty fleet would be held up, damaged and probably destroyed by the military defenders, not to ignore the Frankfurt jumphole's area littered by asteroids and a minefield on the other side, pretty much not the party for a Liberty battlefleet.

I personally believe the adequate line of actions would have been to chase him until Hamburg, then break off. Since he committed rule-violating actions again and again, I suggest you try to erm..."deal with" the threat by ustilizing the screenshots you collected of the player's actions.

There was a recent example like that. A Military Battleship started attacking London, New York and Omicron Kappa. He soon got what was coming to him without the opposing force having to chase him to Frankfurt.

[Zeltak]

You know personally, I don't get why you make such a big deal out of it. It was just an incident where one party got frustrated, and so it ended up like this. Why must every single bad incident be talked over and turned into huge drama? It be another story if the [LN] would perhaps move cap-ships towards Rheinland space everyday.

It's finish, kaput, let us move on...

[Sturmwind]

You know personally, I don't get why you make such a big deal out of it. It was just an incident where one party got frustrated, and so it ended up like this. Why must every single bad incident be talked over and turned into huge drama. It be another story if the [LN] would perhaps move cap-ships towards Rheinland space everyday.

It's finish, kaput, let us move on...

Excuse me, I was using a most civilised manner to talk about this issue, which not only I believed to be a problem. I have no intention to turn this into drama or step over a certain border in any way.

We can forget about this if you do not wish to discuss it, but I fail to see the harm this might cause.

Do not take this as an offence, the [LN] has all my respect.

[Zeltak]

Excuse me, I was using a most civilised manner to talk about this issue, which not only I believed to be a problem. I have no intention to turn this into drama or step over a certain border in any way.

We can forget about this if you do not wish to discuss it, but I fail to see the harm this might cause.

I do not wish to not discuss it, I just feel that this event, is really one of a kind, I mean you could just have PM'ed the leader or something about this matter. Putting it in the [LN] feedback makes it look like it's something we normally do. That is how I perceive it as.

[Blighter]

I see.

I understand that it was an enormous level of OORP actions from the Sturmvolk to enter Alaska, I honestly can't imagine a single RP reason that justifies a Rheinland Battleship being present there. As for me, I am really ashamed for the behaviour of this person and I would also like to mention that we are already dealing with it.

I also understand you attempted to chase him down, destroy the data collected, etc.

But to chase it into the very core of Rheinland? That's like responding (excuse me for the word) lolwuttery with lolwuttery. Imagine it this way: There is a reason why Hamburg is not yet taken by Libertonians. That reason is that there are heavy capital ship and fighter patrols keeping it secure all day. Yes, I know it's not like that in-game, but in-RP, it's pretty much the way it is. An entering Liberty fleet would be held up, damaged and probably destroyed by the military defenders, not to ignore the Frankfurt jumphole's area littered by asteroids and a minefield on the other side, pretty much not the party for a Liberty battlefleet.

I personally believe the adequate line of actions would have been to chase him until Hamburg, then break off. Since he committed rule-violating actions again and again, I suggest you try to erm..."deal with" the threat by ustilizing the screenshots you collected of the player's actions.

There was a recent example like that. A Military Battleship started attacking London, New York and Omicron Kappa. He soon got what was coming to him without the opposing force having to chase him to Frankfurt.

Hey, that's all fine and dandy and I agree, but, uh.
Not like I barged into Hamburg, then through New Berlin and into Frankfurt.
It went: Alaska -> Minor -> Delta -> Kappa -> 74 -> Theta -> Sig 17 -> Sig 13 -> Frankfurt.

That and, uh, I'm not much for writing reports on 'rulebreakers' in this sense on principle, as I my individual view of 'appropriate' RolePlay does not have to match someone else's individual view of 'appropriate' RolePlay.
If anyone else who was part of the chasing group wrote one, fine by me, but I honestly see no reason, especially not when I had fun with the chase along with the people around me, from what I've gathered.
And I think whoever is behind the RNC-Sturmvolk, regardless of whether this was actually fun for the people involved or not, is getting a fair dose of smacking already, and I'm confident that the good people in charge of the [RM] are the ones dishing it out and making sure that such a thing does not happen again.
Should I, personally, encounter any lost Rheinland Battleship in Alaska again, I'll simply roleplay the situation as I see fit, regardless of how messed up the whole 'Rheinland Battleship in Alaska' scenario is, if I have the means to do so, whether it upsets me, or not.
If I lack the means, or patience, or whatever, I'll give the emergency Skype chat a shout and then see how things roll.
But yeah, as long as it doesn't happen again, there'll be no one chasing it, and thus no problem.
As for the other encounters of [LN] or independent Liberty Navy players in Frankfurt, I wasn't there at the time when those were there, as I've only recently come back to the [LN] myself, so I can't help you there I'm afraid.
That aside, further discussion regarding this 'one-time' incident is propably unnecessary for now and would only serve to upset people.
I think we can let it rest.

[Sturmwind]

As requested, my participation in this discussion is over.

My intention was not to cause drama at all, for the outcome I apologise.

[Malexa]

On the RNC-Sturmvolk incident, the Kapitaen got beaten by the mean Admiral herself and most likely won't do it again. Otherwise he will be in command of a few less men and a much smaller ship.
How many toothbrushes fit into a Flea with a grown up man? Well, lets not find out or at least hope he does not want to.

The situation that the LN suddenly knocked at the Sigma doors was strange, but still interesting. I could declare all Kusari vessels as possible hostile since the Navy attacking from the Kusari side appeard as they entered war on the side of liberty.
Was fun redirecting all the forces to frankfurt only to give all-clear from the kusari side and getting the MND on it how liberty made it there without beeing noticed by Kusari at all.

The chase to Bering was also fun and the afterwards occuring Recon operation of two Wraths providing pictures from the fleet stationed in Hudson orbit was excellent roleplay for us.
The following game of cat and mouse to extract the recon ships safely was also lots of fun.
Especialy when you guys took the pursuit not too far just to get a blue message.

We should maybe do some recon missions on both sides more often, taking pictures of structures along the front lines. Of course no metagaming stuff like releasing prisoners from the prison stations. They are well protected fortresses.
No, what I am talking about is to try and make this war a bit more dynamic on both front lines while using common sense and keeping it alive and fun.

Malexa

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[Doc Holliday]

I have a question of the LN...and I'm asking in a nice sort of way, even though I don't expect it back.
What's with them and TAZ? Evidence was asked for and subsequently denied. In RL, that would be an automatic case dismissal in any court of law for lack of evidence. It's tough to use diplomacy when the other side just snubs you. Gallia acts like that too now that I think of it.

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[casero]

Well, I don't think we need to provide evidence to Liberty's court rooms. As Liberty Navy we already have their trust.
If they have done something against Liberty laws, and they got caught, why the need of providing Screen Shots?

What I'd do if I were you, is to try again with diplomacy. No one said you have no chance to succeed. How and what to say it depends on you.

[Boss]

Regarding adequate force...

I won't name names; that would be rude, mean, stupid, and no rules were broken as far as I know beyond a slight bending of 0.0

A uni8 gunship that has 82 bots and 250 bats doesn't need five fighters and two gunboats to kill.

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Just go play the game and have fun dammit.

all in all the conclusion is that disco doesn't need antagonist factions, it doesn't need phantoms, it doesn't need nomads, it doesn't need coalition and it doesn't need many other things, no AIs, the game is hijacked by morons to confuse the game with their dickwaving generic competition games mixed up with troll-of-the-day.