4.86 Event Two Thread

[mjolnir]

Since it was impossible to turn off the Isis or change things around the planet (we asked Matt, he couldn't do it without making everyong download a different mod) - NOR we were able to actually make the update work (we tried) - I had a choice. Go with an event as is, or cancel everything. So I went with the event as is.

As I wrote now and already 3 weeks ago there are numerous other ways to try.

This one 100% sure works:

- repninja ALL players to be red to normal order faction, Isis will shoot both yes.. so both stay away from there, Order starts in Guars system so it's not an issue with them.

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Igiss says: Martin, you give them a finger, they bite off your arm.

[Panzer]

Such fights imo have great value for the balance team - in a mindless Darwinian process real, possibly overpowered strength of one piece of equipment or another becomes apparent pretty fast. Observing small fightsover a long time on the RP server can be time-consuming, "just" the test server carries the risk of subjective opinions. In here - we have massive groups pitted against other massive groups. Both using diverse equipment against just as diverse of the other side. Easier and faster to spot what's wrong. Last time it was the undersized destroyers that won the day. This time, an iron fist of Osiris battleships.

I think such events are a pretty damn valuable prelude to what's done/decided in terms of balance later on the test servers.

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[Blodo]

Well, I tried to play, but my BHG gunship got sent to Bastille without explanation unfortunately. I tried a Manta to find that it has an adv. CM against Order missile spam, and to see in general how the Order are pushing on Dabadoru.... so I guess you will get pictures of Order totally winning over the BHG Core.

This is the fault of loadouts first and foremost. Myself and pretty much the whole dev team asked over and over to be included in the planning of loadouts and technical details for this event, mainly to help fix all the issues for this event that we learned about in the first one.

Instead, we got ignored and none of the issues from the GRN-KNF event were fixed (all of which were reported in the previous event thread by the way), they are still there in this event (so bad loadouts on ships, and high cap armours favouring bs spam). This event could have been launched in two weeks, and it could have been done right. Instead it was rushed. But that's not even the core of it.

I am suspecting that the BHG leadership is pushing its balance agenda in this event. If that is the case, the biggest problem is not the execution, it's the intentions. Just food for thought.

Edit because there's not much point: Derpa doo

Kudos to everyone who participated. Great RP. How's the view from Bastille Blodo?

It's grand, me and the prison base there can shoot at each other out of boredom.

[chovynz]

Since it was impossible to turn off the Isis or change things around the planet (we asked Matt, he couldn't do it without making everyong download a different mod) - NOR we were able to actually make the update work (we tried) - I had a choice. Go with an event as is, or cancel everything. So I went with the event as is. If you don't like it, you are free to not participate. If you chose to not do so, then do NOT criticize or complain about things.
The minor detail that anyone in particulars help was not requested is not a reflection upon them - simply that this is an admin sponsored event at the request of Igiss, to get video and pictures of these really cool battles. That is the purpose of this thread.
Further negative comments and complaints will be considered off topic and invis'd without warning. Let the players have some fun.

Yah know.
There is a reason why people choose not to play. It's valid reasons, that you are ignoring.
You are getting alot of people saying this is not fun, and I'll join them. These are people that both have played BH or Order, and those that have not. I have not played either side before. I played BHG this time.

There are too many restrictions, too many rules, too many things left not-done.

I don't really know what else to say, since your attitude says that anything I say that might be able to be used as constructive criticism, will be invis'ed.

You wanted the sole responsibilty of this event? Then take the comments and run with them instead of ignoring people.

Edit: Let me know when I can make some suggestions, for the next event.

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Seek fun and you shall find it. Seek stuff to Q_Q about and you'll find that, too. I choose to have fun.

[mjolnir]

Such fights imo have great value for the balance team - in a mindless Darwinian process real, possibly overpowered strength of one piece of equipment or another becomes apparent pretty fast. Observing small fightsover a long time on the RP server can be time-consuming, "just" the test server carries the risk of subjective opinions. In here - we have massive groups pitted against other massive groups. Both using diverse equipment against just as diverse of the other side. Easier and faster to spot what's wrong. Last time it was the undersized destroyers that won the day. This time, an iron fist of Osiris battleships.

I think such events are a pretty damn valuable prelude to what's done/decided in terms of balance later on the test servers.

Such fights would have had great value for the balance team. Which is why balance team was interesting in shaping them to be representative of server play.

With the way they currently are setup (ships used/allowed, loadout issues limiting some ships, armor upgrades promoting cap use, respawning again promoting cap use etc. etc.) they are of no value ... at all.

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Igiss says: Martin, you give them a finger, they bite off your arm.

[SeaFalcon]

Make an event sided mod please ^^
Like a lot of other mods have.
Just a mod that everyone activates when there is an event.
Things that are in the event mod:

• No guns on bases
  
• Faction main guns + Sirius wide guns on most important faction bases
  
• A ship limiter (max 8 BS's a side, 12 Cruisers, 16 GB's, Fighters/bombers unlimited)
  

Would it be possible?

If you ask me remove solaris completly from an event server.
Without them ships will be kept within their role.
And since there are so many people around people just get a few GB's to deal with bomber spam or just fighters.
Let the ships fulfill their own role in battle.

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Anyway after all you made it possible Agmen and friends.
Only a few beauty mistakes.
Maybe a few things to learn from?

Anyway cheers for all the hard work put into it.

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And Agmen hereby I volunteer to help building setups for the next event if there will be one:)

[Panzer]

Ideal would be such a mod with real-time applicable changes...

Like, you come over, mass-brawl 24/7 and at all times there's some wizard around fine-tuning one tidbit of the galaxy at a time till everyone's happy as a clam.

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[Luis]

Seems that Agmen deleted my post of my opinion of the Battle.

Agmen, seriously, as soon I have joined the event server - I said to myself "I hate it already...". I didn't like how the Osiris is equipped. The battle is non-sense, in my opinion.

But it seems that you are ignoring yourself aswell. You said you want to hear what the community opinion is - so, hear them. Don't ignore them or delete just because we are saying our real thoughts and critisizement. Also, I always thought of you of being a grumpy man for the rest of his life. Most post I see from you sounds or looks like a rage, or you pist off on something and want to release it on others. Thats not a Admin way - none at all.

My honest opinion will be release:

I dislike this event in every way - even the rules that it has.

Done.

And I am not saying this because I am agreeing with everyone, but with experience in the battle of the event.

- Luis

[chovynz]

<strike>And he deleted mine too.</strike> Scratch that. My mistake.

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Seek fun and you shall find it. Seek stuff to Q_Q about and you'll find that, too. I choose to have fun.

[SeaFalcon]

Uhmm... people if you dislike it go the RP server.
Just use it to 'PEW PEW' 'Boom!' not to own everybody or to show how good you are.

Edit: Uploading a short movie. Should be done in 30mins;)