To the Disco community from one of your own.

[Dragonslayer]

I haven't been in New York much lately, and dont know what I say is still true or if my experience can be generalized, but nevertheless:

As far as I know, lawfuls (not only the LPI, Im just mentioning this because it MAY also be a thing other people "whine" to the LPI about) sometimes dont attack pirates for the sake of fairness to the pirate player. If a trader gets blown up because of that (which I did once, the pirate asked for money although I was empty), they are bound to develope negative feelings towards the police/navy that refused to help. So, if people complain because police/navy refuse to help, I think have a right to do so.

About the problems with indy players...

What is your recuitement policy? I think factions as important and the LPI/Navy should be open in recruiting so they get a chance to teach at least the people who are willing to learn how to behave responsibly. How about an ingame police accademy?

In any case, no matter how justified your post is HAck, I fear most people who are causing the problem (incmpetent indi police as well as whining trader) dont even read the forums, so something ought to be done ingame about it.

[Backo]

Well Joe... Being a secondary fleet pilot (as it's called in Liberty) is really bad. Just because LNS-lolwutisms ruin the fun for some people other indies aren't taken serious. For instance I once demanded some pilots from Kaze that were allied to me on my LSF char... She just said she'll wait for the request from the officials instead of mine. And yes the officials were right next to me, on MY side. Sucks, doesn't it?

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Republic of the Sword and Sun

[Jihadjoe]

Sucks, doesn't it?

Yup. Sure does.

You'll note that at no point have I ever said "All indies suck".

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[Backo]

All I'm saying is that players should be respected by their RP not their little tag saying they're official...

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Republic of the Sword and Sun

[Jihadjoe]

Exactly. They should. Go into a situation with an open mind no matter who you think you're going to be dealing with and the quality of their RP or whatever you happen to judge people on...

I'll continue this discussion with you in PM if you want, because it's a little off topic.

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[Rodent]

Well, some things are impossible to fix without exercising....extreme measures. But Y'Know, most people don't really know how to go about things in this game, and they do mistakes. Hell, most of us do.

In my eyes, a logical course would be first smoothing out the RP issue with faction leaders (who more often than not, DO know better) then attempt to reason with the person who's causing the problems. We gotta realise that people sitting behind those computer screens are also people, and on further investigation, most of these so called troublemakers are actually nice guys that don't INTEND to cause a mess.

Of course, there's a seperate realm of people who DON'T want to learn, and for them, the extreme measures can always be applied.

Might not be on topic, but that's my 2 cents.

[hack]

Yes, there are ALOT of good indies out there who are doing it right.

As for the In Rp reactions / consequences, well, that's to be expected.

Its when it continues OORp that people need to take 2 seconds and think about whom they should be perturbed with.

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Creator of Sgt. V. Price, 207th Precinct out of Chula Vista Station

[jimmy Patterson]

thers no easy solution to this aside from passwording the server thuss makeing it mandatory for people to sign up on fourms but it wont ever happen

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[Irra]

It depends on the ranking of the Official member. If it's for example Hale. He can order every single navy pilot around even if it's a indie navy dread.

He can tell them.. but they don't have to listen. Of course they might soon turn to hostile to LN:)

I belive official factions claimed all responsibility for indies when they started to dictate which indie player can and cannot use what piece of faction equipment/ship and asked them to follow rules made by the offic faction.

Thats RP and SERVER rules. LN indie cant use RM ship/weapons.. freelancers want LN weapons.. why they need them? Someone needs some RP for something, you need reason, you cant just buy Manta and mount random weapons on it.. Official factions take care of that just because someone needs to..

As far as I know, lawfuls sometimes dont attack pirates for the sake of fairness to the pirate player. If a trader gets blown up because of that, they are bound to develope negative feelings towards the police/navy that refused to help. So, if people complain because police/navy refuse to help, I think have a right to do so.

About the problems with indy players...

What is your recuitement policy? I think factions as important and the LPI/Navy should be open in recruiting so they get a chance to teach at least the people who are willing to learn how to behave responsibly. How about an ingame police accademy?

Ehmn.. about first part of quote. Right.. It true there is some fairness left in game. But not shooting at pirate because there is someone shooting at him and pirate is shooting trader is pretty much stupid for me. Trader has no chance of defending him self against most pirates so help is always welcome. I think for the sake of RP you have to help trader any way you can. Gank pirate until he stops shooting trader.. he stops you call off ships.. simple.

Part two.. this problem would then turn into.. Why did [LN] ensign shot down my trader because I had food on it, etc. Some level of RP has to be there if you want to be in official faction. And everyone can get to that level by being indie for month at least and visiting a forum once or twice. People just don't want to RP it seems.. I don't see other reason. Recruiting system is fine.

All I'm saying is that players should be respected by their RP not their little tag saying they're official...

True, but sometimes you can't help it. I will always think indies aren't good as official players unless I see them RPing.



Well.. I would like more right for Official faction.. not sure what rights. Just enough so they can deal with troublemakers.. and it's not turning to hostile. Not following faction lore doing something stupid in name of the faction should be against some rules.. :|

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[n00bl3t]

Well.. I would like more right for Official faction.. not sure what rights. Just enough so they can deal with troublemakers.. and it's not turning to hostile. Not following faction lore doing something stupid in name of the faction should be against some rules.. :|

1.1 and 5.2 perhaps?

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