[Petition] Un-Nerf Mining!

[Stoat]

-- that aint a vali argument. You should stop labeling all miners a capwhores with cap 8. --

I didn't. You must be soooo easy to wind up.

Factions, cap whores and CapVIII's were around a long time before mining (funnily enough) and they managed fine without it before.

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[Panzer]

We managed fine without cash transfers, renames, restarts, custom ships, guns and equipment to. Hey, how about we revert to 4.82? I had a muuuuch funnier time then as a =BSG=.

Whoever came up with this bright idea...

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[mjolnir]

Increase the drop rate of ore and lower its value; this way, instead of making approximately 1 "trip" per hour with the risk of losing an hour's worth of ore, it would be 2 or 3 trips, with no single trip bearing as much risk. Maybe knowing that he is risking only 15-20 minutes of effort rather than 60 will discourage the threatened miner from F1. Also, it would increase miner mobility which would encourage pirates to spread out more.
What do you all think?

I'd like that as well.
The concept of extremely expensive ore that you haul only once per hour or so invites for pirates to make crazy demands and miners to do everything possible to avoid loosing the ore.

So more frequent trips with lower value ore should reduce this a bit.


That said I never mined.... ever, trading works just as well as always and without really picking routes (i.e. searching for them in spoiler programs) and without blockade running or smuggling I make some 15-20 mil/hour on house corporation runs.
Trading also has the advatange of being able to do it at any time and pause at any time. Have 15 mins free waiting for someone/something? No problem log on trader and do short run.

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[CzeReptile]

I didn't. You must be soooo easy to wind up.

Factions, cap whores and CapVIII's were around a long time before mining (funnily enough) and they managed fine without it before.

And have you noticed that since mining there is firm decrease in cardamine / slave trade afaik? Guess why - everybody is damn pirate!

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[Lancelot9]

But soft, what light through yonder window breaks?
It is the east, and Juliet is the trader.
Arise, fair sun, and kill the envious miner,
Who is already sick and pale with grief

wait wait wait wait?

The mighty admins peered down apon sirius, they did not like what they saw
all thine pirates are in one spot?
"O why o why little pirates do you live only in dublin and 23?"
"Cause teh miners carry phat ores nub" the pirates cried out
"Why o pirates does thou not spread and tax the traders of sirius? Move yourself across the houses?
May thine tridente and Paetorian find new pastures?" the admins asked.
"lol nubs, teh miners haz phat orez, makes muneh!"
The admins nodded sadly, one by one they turned to each other
drew their nerfbats
and shot the miners.
"Roam free o pirates! Ignore the QQ of the miners! Spread to sirius and tax her traders!"
"wtf? I has to work to tax people nau? and lolwut navies gonna pwn me in caps?"
The admins nodded collectively
"Collect thine brothers pirates, give the traders and navies hell"

Valid

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[tansytansey]

Mining got nerfed?

Good thing I never mine.

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[5:50:49 PM] JakeSG (William Darkmoor) says: I like you, Ashes. You're more cynical than God.

[dodike]

Mining got nerfed?

Good thing I never mine.

You can haul for miners, that's also good

Or you can mine the transports, you shoot it and ore pops out

[Cannon]

For what's it's worth, here's something really simple that I would like to see done:

Increase the drop rate of ore and lower its value; this way, instead of making approximately 1 "trip" per hour with the risk of losing an hour's worth of ore, it would be 2 or 3 trips, with no single trip bearing as much risk. Maybe knowing that he is risking only 15-20 minutes of effort rather than 60 will discourage the threatened miner from F1. Also, it would increase miner mobility which would encourage pirates to spread out more.
What do you all think?

To expand on this idea, 2-3 trips per hour implies a mining time of approximately 5-10 minutes for a transport by a single player. With this system most of the player time is spent moving the ore (i.e. trading). If we were do to this, I'd recommend just remove mining altogether as it is no different to trading. You buy the commodity from a base near the mining area and sell it where ever it is sold.

One of the key reasons for mining was an alternative to trading - allowing people to spend most of their time mining rather than trading. Yes it is boring but it is differently boring to trading.

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[sean24]

*clears throat and throws 2c into pot*

Personally I think that using the mods balance to restrict the amount of rule breakers isn't going to work. Think about it please admins- these poor saps that are F1'ing at the first sight of a pirate do it because:

A) if they lose their cargo they have wasted alot of time
B) if they lose their cargo/get pirated they will lose credits

Now mining is nerfed. Same people are mining lady dady da- then wait a pirate appears on scanners. They will still F1 because:

A) if they lose their cargo they have wasted alot of time
B) if they lose their cargo/get pirated they will lose credits

So it doesn't really accomplish much because the kind of people that break rules don't really care as long as they don't lose fake money or whatever.

The mining system should not be balanced according to what rule breakers do.

[10:10:55 PM] (Anonymous): mining was the best thing for the economy
[10:10:58 PM] Anonymous): reduce traders
[10:11:09 PM] Marshal: yeah it was the golden age

(on a side note- if the mining nerf has something to do with the high taxes from pirates wont the worth of money just increase so we will still be losing out just as much even if their taxes decrease? If it has nothing to do with that just ignore this whole little bracket thing)

[dodike]

To expand on this idea, 2-3 trips per hour implies a mining time of approximately 5-10 minutes for a transport by a single player. With this system most of the player time is spent moving the ore (i.e. trading). If we were do to this, I'd recommend just remove mining altogether as it is no different to trading. You buy the commodity from a base near the mining area and sell it where ever it is sold.

One of the key reasons for mining was an alternative to trading - allowing people to spend most of their time mining rather than trading. Yes it is boring but it is differently boring to trading.

I disagree. With this system when filling a mining ship takes an hour it's quite refreshing to stop shooting the rocks and go for a little trip. That's why miners are reluctant to hire transports.
If trader spent more time flying forth and back than he spent mining, he would be willing to hire a transports since they are bigger and more effective for the task. It would encourage team work and player interaction.
Back in Penny days it took about 20 minutes to fill a 5k transport so miners where screaming into the system chat for transports so they can get back to mining.
Also if the time needed for filling up a ship and time needed for the delivery were equal it would also push the price of ore sold by miners down and become more attractive for transport pilots. It is not really worth buying ore now if you make 3k per unit as a hauler when you risk loosing cargo worth 10-13k a piece.