' Wrote:In RP, the zoners have some level of fuzzily defined control of the planet. In the real world, Jammie can write whatever he likes, and gets the right to remove people's posts from his rp thread.
I have the right to have it removed if it is power gaming. Claiming to have something on another factions station, base, planet, etc etc without asking or when they don't allow it is power gaming.
Below copied from the other thread.
If you want the bar, contact the Alliance first. Claiming we are power playing is a rather rude. Our rock. Our law.
No, I wasn't the one that posted, I however was in agreement with the post.
The fact that you have a few errors in the RP background, the fact its in Port Canaria, and the fact you didn't bother to talk to any of the Zoner leaders is why this has happened. Had you simply opened this in Port Jackson (which is not on the other side of the planet btw) we'd have left you alone, as Port Jackson belongs to you. As for not allowing character interactions? Who says you can't? All we've asked is that you don't do so inside the bar. For now.
Quote:I have the right to have it removed if it is power gaming. Claiming to have something on another factions station, base, planet, etc etc without asking or when they don't allow it is power gaming.
I think you'll run into a great deal of trouble having threads regarding objects landed or built on a planet deleted under the auspices of a claim of power-gaming your planet, your planet which has a growing canonical Bretionan and Corsair presence.
For instance, if I were to claim a Slaver's Union Installation on Baden Baden, the OSC and the RFP might dislike the fact that it exists, but not have the right to say that they exert unilateral control over the planet, and therefore my placing such a base there is a direct assault on their RP.
The fact that New London is a BPA tagged world, that Manhattan is LPI, that Malta is Outcast, does not grant them the right to claim that any rp established about other factions owning shops or running operations on that world is powerplay. That is frankly ridiculous, given the size of a world, and furthermore, Bowex and the Zoners are not enemies, they are business partners. We're not rping an assault, we're opening up a shop.
Or does every entrepreneur seeking to establish a business on a Zoner installation bring a case before the Zoner Council?
Do parliaments and congresses hand out commissions for local businesses?
For that matter, the background of the bar is that land near a spaceport was bought, likely from Zoner citizens, on land in a rather decrepit area of the city. Bought and established by a private citizen, the way, for instance, a Libertonian might set up a franchise clothing shop on, oh...Freeport Two, Freeport Four, Ames, or anywhere else. The statement that it was bought carries with it a sense of legality, rather than, for instance, blackmailed out of the Zoners, or stolen from them. Papers were signed, money exchanged, and then invested in the local economy.
' Wrote:I think you'll run into a great deal of trouble having threads regarding objects landed or built on a planet deleted under the auspices of a claim of power-gaming your planet, your planet which has a growing canonical Bretionan and Corsair presence.
For instance, if I were to claim a Slaver's Union Installation on Baden Baden, the OSC and the RFP might dislike the fact that it exists, but not have the right to say that they exert unilateral control over the planet, and therefore my placing such a base there is a direct assault on their RP.
The fact that New London is a BPA tagged world, that Manhattan is LPI, that Malta is Outcast, does not grant them the right to claim that any rp established about other factions owning shops or running operations on that world is powerplay. That is frankly ridiculous, given the size of a world, and furthermore, Bowex and the Zoners are not enemies, they are business partners. We're not rping an assault, we're opening up a shop.
Or does every entrepreneur seeking to establish a business on a Zoner installation bring a case before the Zoner Council?
Do parliaments and congresses hand out commissions for local businesses?
For that matter, the background of the bar is that land near a spaceport was bought, likely from Zoner citizens, on land in a rather decrepit area of the city. Bought and established by a private citizen, the way, for instance, a Libertonian might set up a franchise clothing shop on, oh...Freeport Two, Freeport Four, Ames, or anywhere else. The statement that it was bought carries with it a sense of legality, rather than, for instance, blackmailed out of the Zoners, or stolen from them. Papers were signed, money exchanged, and then invested in the local economy.
Edit original message out.
You know what? Read my first post in this thread. I am sure I hinted that you could continue to RP in that thread, I just asked that you do it outside the bar. I also clearly hinted that we aren't going to not allow the bar to be there.
All that is being asked is that you contact the owning faction before you do stuff like this, get our point of view on it. Plus, we are role playing our part. Role play yours.
Point of interest, though, if an AI were to take over the bar, does that count as a violation of your terms?
Edit: minor quibble: its not hugely necessary to quote the entirety of the post just before yours...
But I do like having my rather brilliant points represented twice.
Point of interest, though, if an AI were to take over the bar, does that count as a violation of your terms?
Edit: minor quibble: its not hugely necessary to quote the entirety of the post just before yours...
But I do like having my rather brilliant points represented twice.
RP with us. I personally have been wanting to RP in the watering holes with my characters more. Your bar is one I would frequent considering its location. Just RP back with us. :P
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Also: Please, edit it removing the part that Port Jackson is on the other side of the planet. It is not. Majority of the cities, villages, farms are all on the same land mass. Yes, I am a knit-pick.
Aren't Zoners against government interference in general? You know, anarchist types that don't want folk meddling?
Surely it will be bad public relations for their movement when they close a drinking establishment, 'since they didn't ask for permission'. Shouldn't it only get closed if and when it's actively and explicitly harming Zoners?
I mean, if you can legally take drugs in Zoner settlements, or sell any other sort of questionable produce, surely an enterprising Bretonian, or anyone for that matter, could move out into the Zone, just like the Zoners, and pour beer?
I imagine plenty of people from the colonies do business on Zoner turf. The majority of these people might even consider themselves Zoners. Some might not. Some, Zoner or otherwise, may still have ties back home, or may be employed by a company. They might want to open some place to drink. The whole 'do what you want' ideal of the Zoners doesn't appear to be broken anywhere. Freedom for anyone, from anywhere, to do as they like, in the one place, appears to be a keystone for the movement.
As it stands, even if there are reasonable grievances for a bar opening on their turf, it will make those closing it look bad. Firstly, they'll look hypocritical, effecting their standing politically and all that jazz. Secondly, they force the boozer market to become cornered by a select few Zoners. Now, this might be good for those Zoners, yes... but without the competition of another, perhaps BowEx run bar, prices will skyrocket for everyone, Zoners included! Sidewinder Fangs and Liberty Ales will be a million credits a pop!
Now, if the Zoners want to keep their futuristic pseudo-anarchist credentials, they might not want to start clamping down on anything too quickly. However, they may, out of character at least, wish to enact a change, and roleplay the slide into authoritarianism that can often happen in such free societies. This might not be what players think of Zoners, or what the characters want, but it may be an entertaining process.
In fact, rules and regulations on building reminds me of home, in the UK. You need planning permission to build anything. I can't see Zoner or anarchist-types having rules for pub-opening hours, or constructing buildings designed for selling drink. 'You need to file the following planning permission forms in triplicate' is something I'd expect from Bretonians!
Oh, and finally, it's just a pub. If a faction is shipping all sorts of crap to a planet, or engaging in smuggling, or whatever, they likely have warehouses to store said crap in. Ships with 5000 tons of ore or whatever needs stored someplace before selling. These warehouses are probably huge. The pub nailed onto the side of it is likely seen as a local bar where the guys that work there drink. I bet, for instance, that Junker smugglers have their own seedy dives on Manhattan, for instance. Maybe the Mollys would have separatist sympathiser pubs with names like "O'Driscoll's" on New London, too, where they sing "Sunday, Bloody Sunday" every bloody night.
Everyone, read Doc's and Jammi's posts at the bottom of the first page. This is being ironed out over skype. Let's all step back and take a deep breath until we hear from either of them that negotiations have fallen through, kay?
Be kinder than necessary, because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle.
J.M. Barrie
Blunt your understanding of Zoner lore is very flawed. Read the in game rumors from vanilla, instead of ignoring them and injecting your own.
Also note what I have said twice now.
We are role playing our side of it. We are not stopping the other side from role playing back.
This thread was created because the OP thought we were role playing in a way that prevented him from interacting back. We are not. Role play in said thread, just abide by the role play that is already there. (Meaning role play from outside the bar) and also role play with us to get it re opened. Having a bar in which a Corsair can sit next to a Bretonian in will be rather fun to watch if both sides partake in it.
' Wrote:Let's all step back and take a deep breath
Blunt's posting. The negotiations have fallen through. We've brought in the big trolls. The cave trolls. The Uruk Fighting Trolls..wait...Maybe he's just a Balrog.
Can we just keep arguing, and agree to follow the decisions of our glorious leaders once they get passed down?
I mean, that way, we get to have a wonderful time convinced that someone on the internet is wrong.
(btw, cross, I'm pretty sure Pajamas is on the other side (or close to) of the world. I'm digging up the thread now.)
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