SNAC

[tazuras]

Uhh, Im in a faction that allows you to advance by methods other than PvP.

Limiting caps per faction is not a great idea, factions can do that for themselves and do for the most part and people are already hyped up enough about the on BS per player rule.

As for the SNAC, uhm, what armor upgrade did you have retnuh? Secondly from what everyone else is saying it doesnt sound like SNAC's are terribly overpowered in a real fight. Thirdly, and I dont know if this is true or not, I've also gotten the impression cruisers were kinda underpowered.

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[Aaronny]

I have a bomber, i have a SN, and by GOD i will be pissed if you nerf it as well. I do not WANT to buy a 900mil CAPITAL SHIP to take down your everyday bloody lolwutting BC
Its called a mini razor

Nicely said.

Uhh, Im in a faction that allows you to advance by methods other than PvP.

Limiting caps per faction is not a great idea, factions can do that for themselves and do for the most part and people are already hyped up enough about the on BS per player rule.

As for the SNAC, uhm, what armor upgrade did you have retnuh? Secondly from what everyone else is saying it doesnt sound like SNAC's are terribly overpowered in a real fight. Thirdly, and I dont know if this is true or not, I've also gotten the impression cruisers were kinda underpowered.

This is why we have Battlecruisers, because Cruisers are not meant to be Battleships. So there is Cruiser - Battlecruiser - Battleship.

[LA-384]

"It's always the same people that complain" every other post on this forum is either asking for clarification on an issue or asking for/offering help with somthing, this is the first post i've made about balance issues. killed quickly? like i said i wasn't killed at all, and i respect your opinion that it's not overpowered, but saying it's the only way; i did give 3 other scenarios where capital ships could be defeated by other means, but realism is not feasable with the limited number of players on the server at any given time. As for cap-ship restriction, i'm all for it but limitting to 3 caps per faction is a bit much...

EDIT: and i think idies should still be able to buy cruisers and larger cap ships even if their number is restricted, but they would have to fly iny ships such as battlestars or... well there isn't really a civillian type cruiser (maybe the talarca)

What i'm saying is; don't blame the others for your lack of skills. Or do you also prefer to cut down all trees along roads, because you might hit them with your car?

The solution is to get better in your cap. Like others suggested, put some missiles on it if you need to (but not more than a few, otherwise people will hate you for being a missilewhore).

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[retnuh]

Moral of this Story : Nothing is easy, flying a big cap ship until you realize you can easily get pwned by smaller ship. It take time to be good and be able to counter other's people attack.
Flying a bomber, you realize that they'r not so overpowered as you may think they are, it take time and skills to become good at klling those ''big scary'' ships.

Now let's end all this ''Blah blah blah, Because my ship is bigger i should pwn you all!'' and face that everything is fine like it is. SKILL is the key!

i can see the wisdom in that (shutting up now as soon as i answer taz)

Uhh, Im in a faction that allows you to advance by methods other than PvP.

Limiting caps per faction is not a great idea, factions can do that for themselves and do for the most part and people are already hyped up enough about the on BS per player rule.

As for the SNAC, uhm, what armor upgrade did you have retnuh? Secondly from what everyone else is saying it doesnt sound like SNAC's are terribly overpowered in a real fight. Thirdly, and I dont know if this is true or not, I've also gotten the impression cruisers were kinda underpowered.

i'm glad to hear that factions allow advancements via non pvp methods, as for the armor upgrade, very astute of you tazuras, the truth is i had only just bought the ship and so had a non-cap mk8.

EDIT: every time i answer someone more people post in between, even so i do not disagree with the new posts so i'm gonna stay the course and shut up

[Aaronny]

i'm glad to hear that factions alow advancements via non pvp methods, as for the armor upgrade, very astute of you tazuras, the truth is i had only just bought the ship and so had a non-cap mk8.

I also had a BH Cruiser myself, see what it felt to be in that monster, i had no armor because i though i was a monster....After that ?

I only fly Bomber and Fighter now.

[El Nino]

I'm sorry, if you can't fight of one bomber in a cruiser, than that is entierly your problem... now if you were complaining that you can't fight off 3-4 that might be a valid complaint but one? When it takes 90% of his firepower just to down your shield? You can hire me as a capital ship instructor, and we'll get your skill up to required level... PM me for details.

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[retnuh]

I'm sorry, if you can't fight of one bomber in a cruiser, than that is entierly your problem... now if you were complaining that you can't fight off 3-4 that might be a valid complaint but one? When it takes 90% of his firepower just to down your shield? You can hire me as a capital ship instructor, and we'll get your skill up to required level... PM me for details.

noooooo there was one bomber but i couldn't stick around to attempt to fight it off as there was also a huntress, a praefect and two titans, however i will pm you for details as i make no secret of the fact that i'm not a great pilot

[Derkylos]

and i reitarate ive seen people solo battleships with coladas and the SNAC/inferno drop em down a bit or give the caps armor upgrades to make it more realistic 2 bobmers should not beable in anyway shape or form to kil la battleship

I would dearly like to meet these people. Either they have reserves of patience that outstrip everyone I have ever met combined, or they have some way to up the damage output of SNs...One SN fired at one BS shield will drop it in about 2 hours, assuming your timing and aiming is perfect.

and as i said SNAC should be ORDER AND LIMITED CORSAIR ONLY!)so either houses get versions made or you use torpedos (which can do the same thing as a snac you just actually need realistic numbers of bombers(3-4 sometimes 2)

Torpedoes do not have any impact on cap shields, and, therefore, are incapable of killing a BS or even a GB, no matter how many you fire at it. Faction specific SNs would be great, but these were vetoed as taking up too much space. Simple re-wording of the SN's infocard is all that is needed.

edit a 3rd time we cappilots use missles you all moan about missle whorage and besides the missle turrets are wayyy to dodgeable so as i said if your all gonan complain about balanceing caps compared to bombers why not just remove em your all obviously fighter biased anyway
4th edit or just make it so two or whatever missle mountcxs cant be removed and make them a bit harder to dodge or a cluster /duel /tripple / launcher and make the main guns of the cap unable to target fighters(slow em down)

Use of missiles is not a problem. What is a problem is people who just mash the missile fire buttons. Capship missiles are unaffected by CMs and have infinite ammo. After the first 70 shots, there is nothing the fighter can do to defend themselves.

Bombers are in no way some "Uberpwnmachine" when it comes to larger ships. Smaller caps are very hard to hit from a bomber, the Kusari Dessie being a prime example, I have yet to land a SN on one of those.

Several transport turrets can easily kill a careless bomber...no one would accuse a Advanced Train of having exceptional firepower, yet 2 of them managed to take down my Praetorian.

I fly both sides of the fence, having 2 dessies (with a third planned, just need to raise the cash), several bombers and loads of VHFs, as well as having owned a large number of GBs (gave them up after realising I had no idea how to fly em). Yes, I fear bomber wings on my dessie...but this merely promotes RP (I will not take it out without sufficient fighter support), and I also know how long it takes for even 2 bombers to take down a dessie.

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[jimmy Patterson]

really you nev4r see any faction storys there allways promotions after combat if factions start more openly showing that you dont need to be 1337 in a fighter to advance and get caps (as like it or not some people just cant fly fighters reguardless of all the other variables)then i may join one or others may as well

as for "I IS BIGGUR I PWNZORS CHU ALL"argument that is valid yet also invalid

valid because it has happened in history iunvalid as look at modern earth warships world war two 120 aircraft it took to sink the yamato she only shot down 3 if her gunners had been accurate she would of stil lsailed or the bismark if her rudder wasent struck she would of made it home im talking about ballance you dont see a 1000lb bomb soloign an aircraft carrier the snac in this game is an antishimp missle yet the capitol craft have no antimissle or antifighter defence so its inballanced so therefore to balance it you shou;ld need more than one bomber for a cruiser or at the very most force said cruiser to retreat1 percent chance of killing

at the capship missles uneffective by CM's that is wrong ive seen bombers shake morethan 70 missles with ease they dont track (like all missles)good at all mabye a 25 percent chance to hit sometimes 50
so tweak the torpedos to be effective on capitolships or lose the sheilds on them alltogeather(just up hull armor acordingly)

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[Kambei]

SNAC vs cap isnt overpovered
SNAC vs fighter... hell it is

energy for snac is recharged in 6 seconds, 2 bombers can theoreticaly spam you with snac every 3 seconds... this isnt anymore about skill but about luck

(I was snac-ed only 3 times in my whole ingame life so it isnt complain from me but Im geting to be sick from pure bomber parties whoring with SNACs ppl around in fighters. SNAC is anticap gun not gun of the doom against fighters)

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