To The Admins: In Reference to the TCG Faction Right 5

[Waratah]

I never quite understood why the order rolled over and went "Oh ok... we'll stay out now."

Barnes never rolled look what happened.

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[The.Wizard]

I never quite understood why the order rolled over and went "Oh ok... we'll stay out now."

Epic!!!!

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[Kubotan]

Barnes never rolled look what happened.

I think he was referring to the Order High Command or the ones that were against the TCG on this matter.

[Morbid_Angel]

I think he was referring to the Order High Command or the ones that were against the TCG on this matter.

I think he was giving a wild shot at explaining what happens to you when when oyu dont roll over on this server

[Tenacity]

Is that the right way to understand this?

Not quite.

Joe (Admiral Hale) went on a ragefit against the order for several indy order caps going into alaska and new york, some of which included the TCG. The Order decided that we would pull back our capital ships from alaska (but leave fighters to continue doing what we do there), in order to avoid a large scale conflict with the liberty navy - because such a conflict is one that we cannot afford right now, we're already fighting wars on three fronts.

In-game, there was an incident regarding this where waratah and his members of the TCG insulted the liberty navy (including hale, and some could say that insulting was taken out of RP), and spoke words that were intentionally said to ignite a war that the rest of the order does not want. We have screenshots of exactly what he said, and there can be no doubt that he was trying to antagonize liberty into attacking.

Tommy, the leader of the Order| and OHC, responded in-game in order to diffuse the situation, calm everyone down, and stop a fight from breaking out. He ordered waratah and the TCG to stand down in order to prevent a war with liberty, waratah turned his ire towards tommy and proceeded to shoot down three (I believe it was 3, I wasnt online at the time so I only had the screens to look at) order| ships, including tommy's admiral.

This is not the first time such an incident has happened. Months ago, the TCG and LN were in alaska at one another's throats, on the verge of starting a large scale fight, when I logged on with my order admiral (who happened to be at atum at the time). I attempted to do the same then as what tommy did here, diffusing the fight by ordering the TCG to stand down and either dock with atum or return to minor. Waratah's osiris fired on me, and a fight broke out where the Order and Liberty Navy were both fighting the TCG, Joe (admiral hale) was there at that incident as well and can vouche for what happened.



I spoke with waratah about a month after that incident, when it looked like he and his faction were getting their act together. I complimented him on such, and he said (and I quote) "Thank you, it really means a lot to me hearing you of all people say that". Not two weeks after that we had another incident where the TCG were firing at Order| ships.

This is the third time that the TCG have not only disregarded orders, attempted to ruin order diplomacy, and subverted the authority of both the OHC and Order| leader - but also fired upon and destroyed Order Independent and Order| Faction vessels when they didnt get their way.

This behavior has been tolerated long enough, and it was finally decided after this most recent event to put together the evidence for a faction right 5 against the TCG. It's not like we havent given waratah and his people plenty of chances - more than we give most individual players who screw up - but he continually acts in the same manner which is detrimental to the order as a whole.



I had requested that their Order ships be removed and replaced with civilian grade ships, due to exile, but apparently that didnt happen. I do, however, expect them to gradually get rid of order-aligned ships in favor of open market craft as time goes on, none of them have the resources or parts to keep their ships working in and out of battle.

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[Jihadjoe]

But in all seriousness... Here's the thing.


Liberty is hostile to the Order. The order take an interest in the most secret part of Liberty space, where we do all sorts of shady stuff. Unpleasent research on people and nomads. It's like the very darkest and most unpleasent depths of Liberty. All the stuff conspiracy theorists get wood over.

Perfect territory for the order.

Hale issued his ultimatum to the order in roleplay. It was me, roleplaying the fact Liberty wasn't going to allow the order to do as they pleased, and reminding the order the two factions are at war.

This seemed to shock people.

The order high command's decision in RP was to roll over and go "Yeh ok liberty we stay out now." That's perfectly legitamate roleplay. The order don't really have the resources to fight a full blown and open conflict against the liberty navy,l BHG and nomads. That's not gunna end well.

A group within the order opposed that decision and said "Nah... screw you. I'm gunna go shooting those navy guys up." And that is also perfectly legitamate roleplay.

The two are in conflict with one another. Now... The Order| official faction represents the NPC faction as a whole. That's the format and that's the way it works. They got understandably pissed about a group going against that and acted on it.

That is the FR5.

If everything in this situation as taken as an in roleplay act, then it makes sence.

I'll go further and say that I don't see a hero and a villain in this. It's just a series of events, which when taken in roleplay actually form quite an interesting narrative.

Tenacity, I didn't go on a rage fit. I was merely playing my role as Fleet Admiral of the lib navy. Nothing more, nothing less.

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[Morbid_Angel]

It's not like we havent given waratah and his people plenty of chances

Chances to roll over to the liberty navy and to you, you mean...

Arent the Navy and Order suposed to be at each others throats? About Alaska and stuff?

Insults? OORP? Are you suggesting that you were doing this to mix oorp fealings with RP feelings?

[Waratah]

Tenacity you forget you were proven to doctor evidence ..just like this time.. Post 3

Also making false claims Here

Things never change.

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[Tommeh]

Why? Cause bringing Navy warfleets to Minor everyday would be bad for whole Order?
Isn't that what LN Fleet Admiral promised it would happen if TCG goes to Alaska.
Or he expected us to ignore that part, and then we realized it when it was to late? And Minor is invaded by LN.
Sorrry but nope,we thought ahead.
LN would be defeating us everytime when we would confront them, as Order is not capable of having such open war.
Maybe cause we can avoid all the waste of resources and ships which are much more needed in battle against nomads.
And we could simply do that by complying with conditions until situation calms down, and switch to ships without Order ID and IFF?
We have considered RP reasons and consequences which would bring constant presence of LN in Minor.
When we would get our asses kicked inRP and oorp way since almost no one can out match LN fleets inRp and oorp, especially not Order, people would just log off when LN enters Minor, it would bored to death both Order and LN, and that would be very within Order RP, and general RP which would develop there, ehh.
Pretty awesome RP would happen I am sure. :mellow:


Morbid angel, you are not involved in any of those factions in any way, you have no idea how any of those works, at least not Order, so don't jump on conclusions and act like smartass, when you don't know what you are talking about.
Stop trolling around please. Your arguments are superficial and invalid.

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[The.Wizard]

Why? Cause bringing Navy warfleets to Minor everyday would be bad for whole Order?
Isn't that what LN Fleet Admiral promised it would happen if TCG goes to Alaska.
Or he expected us to ignore that part, and then we realized it when it was to late? And Minor is invaded by LN.
Sorrry but nope,we thought ahead.
LN would be defeating us everytime when we would confront them, as Order is not capable of having such open war.
Maybe cause we can avoid all the waste of resources and ships which are much more needed in battle against nomads.
And we could simply do that by complying with conditions until situation calms down, and switch to ships without Order ID and IFF?
We have considered RP reasons and consequences which would bring constant presence of LN in Minor.
When we would get our asses kicked inRP and oorp way since almost no one can out match LN fleets inRp and oorp, especially not Order, people would just log off when LN enters Minor, it would bored to death both Order and LN, and that would be very within Order RP, and general RP which would develop there, ehh.
Pretty awesome RP would happen I am sure. :mellow:
Morbid angel, you are not involved in any of those factions in any way, you have no idea how any of those works, at least not Order, so don't jump on conclusions and act like smartass, when you don't know what you are talking about.
Stop trolling around please. Your arguments are superficial and invalid.

Talk about NO U posts hah,Tommeh...????

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