They're clearly "Bretonian", as far as the fact that they live in Bretonia. I would say they have a distinct culture from that of mainstream Bretonia though. That they're still getting the majority of new people from groups like the Green Front (purely Bretonian) would certainly push toward Bretonian.
I think there is a good reason to have Bretonian influenced ships though - they would have a lot of Bretonian trained engineers. But I think it'd be more interesting if they were Bretonian in ship but aesthetically much different.
One of the reasons I love you Ktayn is that we butt heads alot & you force me to think:crazy:
As far as our 'ship' goes (& hopefully, officially a 'shipline' in the near future) we have, thanks be to Jinx a specifically Gaian aesthetic which is essentially a chewy kusarian center surrounded by a crunchy bretonian candy shell.:crazy:
Ehh, since when were any house-based faction strictly bound to a house? Although it might usually be the case, it's more character based, isn't it? There are male GC, Blood Dragons from Liberty, BAF officers from Rheinland...
Just because your character is in a faction doesn't mean they have to act like a character in that faction, nor do they have to strictly agree with what that faction believes.
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Marbur Wrote:There are many who believe that just because the Gaians are based in Bretonia they have to act & look like Bretonians...why is that?
Once a person joins the Gaians, they effectively renounce their citizenship & I've no clue why people would assume that a Gaian would feel any obligation of patriotism to a gov't that would sooner see them dead than look at 'em.
Last time I checked being Bretonian was a national/cultural/ethnic thing and not an idiology.
Even if you dont like what a part of the government is doing and you opose it in some respects, you are still a part of your nation, even if some notorious hail-to-the-chief nitwit says otherwise.
What you are saying kind of sounds like a one dimensional "your are with us or against us" or "love it or leave it" approach which you may find in some extremist group, but thats not how human society works in general.
Even if you have dedicated yourself to preserving the natural biosphere, you may still be attached to friends or familly at home that dont agree with you, and when you see them threatened you will still defend them even if it has nothing to do with the goals of your group. So if this goes down to Bretonia vs Kusari, its not paradox that Gaians should side more with where they come from, unless one of the agendas of Kusari was to preserve nature or something.
If I compared this to a situaion in real life...
My friend fled from the Mullas in Iran and my mom fled from the communists in east germany, but if someone pours out a load of ignorant prejudices and starts generalizing over everyone in Iran or the DDR, my mom and my friend often ended up defending the very thing and environment that they fled from. Even if extremists on all sides will always try to paint a black and white picture, the shades of grey will still always exist in what people see around themselves.
That's it...you MAY still be attached, but it does not necessarily mean that you will.
Most of the Gaians which were not born on the station have family and friends in lawful space. They can still be in touch. Keeping in touch with friends and the government that openly announces you as enemy of the state is different, though. It kind of makes you reconsider your feelings towards the government, and if I remember correctly, you are also renounced of your official citizenship.
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' Wrote:Allow me to point out to you the open invitations of the community to make a group of Rogues with individualized diplomacy in order to pick up the Rogue artifact trade again.
But then I guess, in the land of black and white, the Rogues don't like the Corsairs, so I suppose that's wrong as well.
This was my idea! Thanks for mentioning it, I hadn't forgotten about it but I'd like to do this sometime soon.
As I understand it, being Bretonian is about language, ethnicity, culture, way of life, and generally being more similar to Bretonians than to the other houses of Freelancer.
Seems gaians are from cambridge and generally Bretonia according to vanilla lore. Bretonian culture isnt nailed to the planet surface on Leeds. Culture is within every word someone speaks, in thoughts they have, in habbits, in what tools they use, and it goes far beyond your level of nature-loving or the current government of your nation. It doesnt change overnight. And in the Freelancer universe, it changes even slower than in our world, looking at Rheinlanders, Kusari, Bretonia, Liberty.
A brit hippie is still very much a brit, especially from the perspective of an indian souvenir shop owner.
Gaians as a group have had no "legal" ties to anything Bretonian or have been allowed to set foot on any Bretonian planet for 77 years now & as was well said by Nauticus, (& myself earlier) the only ones that would have any ties to Bretonia are the ones who were not born on a Gaian station & came to join the cause later in life.
You mentioned sounding 'one dimensional' earlier...well, there's very little 'one dimensional' thinking about it involved...what is one dimensional however, is thinking that any group anywhere should feel any love or obligation to a Gov't strictly based on a common ethnicity.
& Kuro: don't spam my thread with brainless trash...this ain't flood. Stay out if you can't say anything of value:nono:
' Wrote:Gaians as a group have had no "legal" ties to anything Bretonian or have been allowed to set foot on any Bretonian planet for 77 years now & as was well said by Nauticus, (& myself earlier) the only ones that would have any ties to Bretonia are the ones who were not born on a Gaian station & came to join the cause later in life.
You mentioned sounding 'one dimensional' earlier...well, there's very little 'one dimensional' thinking about it involved...what is one dimensional however, is thinking that any group anywhere should feel any love or obligation to a Gov't strictly based on a common ethnicity.
I think it's more, by that view, that the original Gaians (and their descendants) are no longer Bretonian since, unlike the Dragons or LWB or whatnot, they're not trying to keep ties as part of their major goal. All the newer recruits may, however, be very Bretonian still. And with that view, I'd say the Gaians as a whole are a Bretonian subculture with an inner circle who are decidedly non-Bretonian at present.
' Wrote:I think it's more, by that view, that the original Gaians (and their descendants) are no longer Bretonian since, unlike the Dragons or LWB or whatnot, they're not trying to keep ties as part of their major goal. All the newer recruits may, however, be very Bretonian still. And with that view, I'd say the Gaians as a whole are a Bretonian subculture with an inner circle who are decidedly non-Bretonian at present.
Yeah, I fully understand your POV, which is why I mention the transplant members numerous times...even in the quote you've quoted:P
I've even said before that I'm a very patient man & one of the reasons I keep making these kinds of threads on occasion is to hammer into peoples heads that they don't have to be limited by nation of origin or even game mechanics & assume that all Gaian characters have to come in somewhere from the outside.
My ultimate goal Gaian-wise has little to do with the NLH generally & much more to do with trying to motivate people to bring more depth to a game-filler faction. Concentrating on & inviting people to explore the multi-generational aspect is simply the best way I know how to do that.
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