Gaians are, more or less, ecoterrorists and environmental extremists. They are considered criminals by Bretonia and thus have not been allowed to land on Bretonian bases, etc. But just because somebody is a criminal does not mean they are not Bretonian - rather, they are Bretonian criminals.
While the Gaians may draw members from other Houses and various walks of life, they still reside in a Bretonian system (for now - we'll see if the Gallic Royal Navy captures it or not) and would be subject to Bretonian laws and courts of justice if caught and convicted of crimes. If anything, outside members do not make the Gaians non-Bretonian; rather, the Gaians make those outside members Bretonian.
Nationality has nothing to do with culture or ethnicity. It is something only defined by law, and while Bretonia would condemn the Gaians for their methods and ideology, they would still consider them Bretonian. In the end, that's what defines the Gaians.
You might want to be wary of allowing your vision of what you want the Gaians to be cloud your contributions to this conversation about what the Gaians actually are. People that truly care about a faction do that often.
Marbur Wrote:Sorry dude but I find your logic laughable
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Gaians as a group have had no "legal" ties to anything Bretonian or have been allowed to set foot on any Bretonian planet for 77 years now & as was well said by Nauticus, (& myself earlier) the only ones that would have any ties to Bretonia are the ones who were not born on a Gaian station & came to join the cause later in life.
You mentioned sounding 'one dimensional' earlier...well, there's very little 'one dimensional' thinking about it involved...what is one dimensional however, is thinking that any group anywhere should feel any love or obligation to a Gov't strictly based on a common ethnicity.
My apologies, pink piggy, but what you say lacks consistency and reason.
If the ties were "legal" or "illegal" is quite irrelevant when it comes to your ethnic background or direct vicinity.
Just because the gaian cause is outlawed in Bretonia doesnt mean they are going to sneak across 4 systems to Kusari clandetinely to get food, conversation, cultural divertisment, fornication, procreation, and language.
I should think that doing that is actually more easy in your direct neighbourhood of Bretonia, since doing it in another house space would be just as clandestine in nature.
To my knowledge, being raised by bretonian parents on a station inhabbited by people of bretonian descent doesnt turn their children into eskimos, even if their political views dont match the contemprary bretonian government's.
If you have evidence of the contrary, please do tell.
Its like saying that because Osama bin Laden is considered a terrorist in muslim Saudi Arabia, his children will be buddhists.
Historically, my bloodline is Irish, yet my ancestors left Ireland during the potato famine & are now 100% American...Although I have alot of knowledge of my historical genealogy & have alot of respect for my origins, I have absolutely 0 obligation to the ins & outs of present day Ireland. Having never set foot on Irish soil & not having any close familial ties to that country, & only having met Irish immigrants that help me learn of their culture 2nd hand. Am I to be expected to give a rats watusi about any present day problems they come up against, or would I be more apt to put America in my mind 1st before all others?
Earth is a small planet & technically, & in my view, it's just up the street to the <strike>left</strike> ::uh, I mean right...sue me:crazy::: a little way...Yet I'll never feel any obligation to them personally if they go to war with someone. If I fight & die for anyone, it's gonna be for my country of birth.
Again, I will continually aim to get people to think outside the box where Gaians are concerned.
Born in the USA, like your patents. And if you don't like Obama's health care plan, you'll welcome the first foreign invader that shows up and from now on only speak french to show how you feel about the american guv'ment?
Also willing to learn thinking outside your own box?
Those were examples to make you think about that if someone from your own ethnicity does something you dont like, will it really change your own ethnicity or not.
Take more time to think about it before your next answer.
Quote:Its like saying that because Osama bin Laden is considered a terrorist in muslim Saudi Arabia, his children will be buddhists.
That comparison is just... random. And seemingly unrelated to anything he said. I think a better example would be if Osama bin Laden went to an uninhabited island with a bunch of terrorist friends. Then they gave themselves a new name and renounced all past ties to any state.
Any debate I'm seeing seems to stem from the definition of Bretonian. Some people are taking it purely in a cultural way while others are seeing it as an ethnicity or nationality or whatnot.
If you really get down to it, there is probably very little overarching characteristics that really combine the houses' populations compared with regional (system and planet) differences. Maybe we should say that Gaians are Edinburghish (though Islayan sounds nicer).
partial to 'Gaianish' myself as although Islay is the primary base of operations & gives the Gaians an overall Scottish flavor, we will soon move to Faroe, which is more Scandinavian...but that doesn't make us instantly Scandinavian any more than Edinburgh makes us Scottish ::shrug::
I get the feeling that you are not very interested in understanding what other people say, but...
Very well...
Quote:There are many who believe that just because the Gaians are based in Bretonia they have to act & look like Bretonians...why is that?
Once a person joins the Gaians, they effectively renounce their citizenship & I've no clue why people would assume that a Gaian would feel any obligation of patriotism to a gov't that would sooner see them dead than look at 'em.
"Act and look like Bretonians" isnt necessarily a choice that you make, and it isnt about being in line with the government. Its about being what you are and coming from where you come from.
Gaians might not be "patriotic" towards their goverment (patriotic doenst have to mean you like your goverment, but whatever...), but there is still more that binds them to Bretonia than to other houses.
Of course you can say your particular gaian isnt bretonian... you are free to say so... but in essence, gaians come from bretonia, and have a bretonian back ground. You can still side with your nation in some aspects, without siding with the government and everything they do.
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