My faction (lol, ZF only has 2 ppl =P) bascially only bases around FP9 and FP11, rarely going anywhere else.
I already operate on the 'tribal community' type of thing. I doubt its the zoners. I think its some outside parties... Just a little too little PvP around for them so I suppose they had to make it.
' Wrote:Neatly constructed, unfotunately nothing more
Zoners are a passive NPC faction without intents of expansion, thus they cannot force RP on others. But bleh ...
Zoners are Passive? No goals for expansion? That is why the Zoners went from a tiny group in Vanilla, to the largest faction by base count in all of Siruis? This is the core of the problems, because the Zoners want thier bases and thier factions and thier warships, but dont want to accept the things that go along with becoming one of the most powerful factions in Siruis.
At some point the Zoners need to find some middle ground for themselves. Are you a powerful faction who threatens to bring out the Juggys everytime someone does something you dont like, or are you going to play the neutral minded diplomats? Thats for the Zoner playerbase to decide. But dont expect everyone else to just go along. Yes the Corsairs told you what to do with your bases.... in thier territory. Zoners bases are always in someone elses territory, Zoners have to deal with this fact and not expect people to just be neutral with you because you are the Zoners. This is not vanilla anymore, every other faction in the game has had to adapt, now its time for the Zoners to as well.
You know what happens to passive people in real life? They tend to get run over by others, much the same as what is happening here. How the Zoners handle it from there side is up to them, but the Corsairs have a right to be freinds with, or not whomever they wish, because just like the Zoners should have control over how they feel about other factions, like the SCRA, so should the Corsairs, they should not be forced to be freinds with people they as a faction dont want to be freinds with.
' Wrote:Of course, you can always just leave and say that you were run off the server. That way you're not taking responsibility for your own actions, and leaving it to someone else to fix the problem that, in the end, your own actions caused.
' Wrote:thier bases and thier factions and thier warships, [...] with becoming one of the most powerful factions in Siruis.
The first part is wrong as you should know well. You know that we've discussed to put the Jinkusu and the Aquillion to a Special RP Request Procedure, just because the official factions realized that there were far too many of these ships in-game. The myth of the Zoners based on some kind of secret power, which nobody wanted to challenge, perhaps bacuse of their Juggernauts. But played accordingly actually no Juggernaut should show up in-game, perhaps in an event. We only objected the complete removal of these ships because there'd be no need to do so, if they are SRP. The general permission for official factions to decide over cap ship use would have been extremely useful to enforce and encourage a proper Zoner RP.
The second part is potentially right, but not due to their military force, but due to their "neutrality". Still, "being powerful" and "using power" are not the same thing. Played properly they would not have to use their power to summon forces, but stimply shift their interests, which is enough of a threat. Being confronted by Corsair attacks without actually having switched interestests their reactions to summon forces in order to repel the acute dangers should be logical enough. The current situation in Theta is only a tiny piece in the history of Zoners, and it COULD be played according to SOME lore (i have written the wiki entries, because vanilla is not descriptive enough), but after a while Sirius MIGHT return to its previous state, and of course welcome Zoners back as they should be. Defensive and neutral.
' Wrote:At some point the Zoners need to find some middle ground for themselves. Are you a powerful faction who threatens to bring out the Juggys everytime someone does something you dont like, or are you going to play the neutral minded diplomats?
One major flaw by ALL pariticipants I've seen was the denial of Zoner RP acceptance. The reason why Freeports were able to sustain without large forces (which where meant to be hidden somewhere anyway), was their cruicial role in diplomacy. No single faction ever asked a Zoner faction to negotiate on their behalf, which would actually be the best display of Zoner diplomacy, right? The dimplomacy as it has been so far was always related to defensive reactions on accusations, questioning, issue-raising, a.s.o, be other affiliations. Now, you cannot RP more than you have time in a day. Diplomacy needs much more time than hunting pixels.
' Wrote:Thats for the Zoner playerbase to decide. But dont expect everyone else to just go along.
Same might apply anywhere, any time, which is not a solution, just an observation.
' Wrote:Yes the Corsairs told you what to do with your bases.... in thier territory.
Why hasn't any Corsair faction intervened when the ZA published the Zoner Laws, making clear that 5k around each morring point is considered to be Zoner Space (GC differs perhaps because of its size).
' Wrote:Zoners bases are always in someone elses territory, Zoners have to deal with this fact and not expect people to just be neutral with you because you are the Zoners. This is not vanilla anymore, every other faction in the game has had to adapt, now its time for the Zoners to as well.
It's rather a good way to remove Zoners as a player faction completely from the game. Game mechanics don't allow anything else thantrading and fighting, while everbody would gladly renounce from trading if the own player groupd cannot protect their transports.
' Wrote:You know what happens to passive people in real life? They tend to get run over by others, much the same as what is happening here.
I'm glad you're approving it.
' Wrote:How the Zoners handle it from there side is up to them, but the Corsairs have a right to be freinds with, or not whomever they wish, because just like the Zoners should have control over how they feel about other factions, like the SCRA, so should the Corsairs, they should not be forced to be freinds with people they as a faction dont want to be freinds with.
The current situation in Theta comes with everything you'll deserve for your needs *g
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I won't go into the reasons why this old military veteran chose the RP that I did instead of being some sort of soldier somewhere. It's in another forum. Rather, I will remind people my Zoner belief.
I performed my RP with the principle of "when a group has so many diverse neighbors, many of whom are fighting the other, we had to give a little to each to keep things quiet." We did that. Food to the Sairs, consumer goods to the Outcasts and other non-military goods to other various factions. I didn't see a problem with it as it allowed us to co-exist.
However, maybe the advice I once received from another player who RP'd a Molly was right, "neutrality means giving nothing."
I see these two parallels as a double edged sword. If we give something to all, their rivals decide that we have "picked sides" which isn't true. If we give nothing, as in not delivering food to Crete then it is reason to make a full scale assault. This was also the case for some house governments if we did or didn't do something.
I had many people that I respected and RP'd with many times in these rival factions. I RP'd with you, Zelot, numerous times and we always seemed to respect the other. I would say the same of Dennis Jameson and of the late Sprolf who led the Mollies and Alvin Katz of the SCRA. Until a few days ago, it worked. It only took the emergence of a couple of players to unravel all of the RP that I had worked on.
So yea, Doc will be around but in what capacity I don't know yet. Obviously, the old way no longer works and pacifism doesn't fly so it seems. Would I like to see this recent onslaught resolved? Of course but how and to what end I don't know. Give me time with the thought and I'll think of something. One thing I could never do well was make quick decisions. When I sit on them for a few days and let it soak in a bit, I do much better.
' Wrote:Zoners are Passive? No goals for expansion? That is why the Zoners went from a tiny group in Vanilla, to the largest faction by base count in all of Siruis? This is the core of the problems, because the Zoners want thier bases and thier factions and thier warships, but dont want to accept the things that go along with becoming one of the most powerful factions in Siruis.
JESUS CHRIST on a pancake.
Discovery was a ship expansion pack. The Juggernaut was a Star Wars import. The Aquilon was a Battlestar Galactica import. Gran Canaria was created by someone who knew jack--- about Zoners (planet was found in 740 when in 800 Zoners are still looking for one).
Now let's look at some facts, you ungrateful human being:
TAZ: 1 Aquilon
ZTC: 1 Zephyr
OSI: No Battleships. No Destroyers. 1 ---- gunboat.
ZDF: Roleplayed as a poorly trained, underpaid militia
Vanilla requirements for why Corsairs didn't mass murder Zoners:
1) Zoners didn't touch the Artifacts.
2) Zoners minded their own business.
3) Zoners brought goods to Freeport 9.
Roleplaying facts:
1) Zoners didn't touch the Artifacts.
2) Zoners minded their own business.
3) Zoners brought goods to Freeport 9, and THEN brought goods to Crete and Cadiz. Zoners used to bring Food to Crete on a weekly, sometimes daily, basis. I know this because I was in ZTC for a year.
4) Zoners went to war with QCP to protect Corsairs on Gran Canaria.
5) Official factions had no problems paying taxes to anybody, particularly Corsairs. Many times gave away millions as tributes.
6) ZTC brought supplies to Eta when Black Sails proposed to use it as a base of opperations.
If anything, the Zoners should have been mass slaughtered by the Outcasts for helping the Corsairs more than any other faction in the Omicrons other than the Order. And after all of the effort that folks have put into roleplaying their given role, which is licking the boots of every faction around a Freeport, you have the audacity to tell over 50 players that they did something wrong??
Do me a favour. Go to start a Zoner faction around Freeport 10. Then try to keep it going for a year. I'm not talking about your indie Lev the Bear account. Try a real Zoner faction. And then try to do what the role asks you to do: keep it neutral without making enemies.
I hope you'll do a better job than the veteran players in TAZ, OSI, and ZTC have done. Give it a go. I'm done here. I'm through with this circus. I defended you many times in the past when folks said god knows what. Now I see they were on the right track. You have no redeeming values as a fellow player.
And more importantly you have no respect for those who do their best to play with you. I could try to be like you, but I just can't compete with that. So I'll take my leave and watch you squirm with glee at yet another "---hole Zoner" leaving the scene.
Quote:[...] but I just can't compete with that [...]
True, although everybody should ask himself if he or she actually wants to compete with that. Fortunatly it's everybody's own decision to choose the own principles of "honor".
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