Zoner ID

[Kyte_]

You think my hackles are the problem?

A general statement meant to sooth... There are a great many opinions out there. I for one would like to hear them, even if I don't necessarily agree with them. That's just my way.

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[Lance_Uppercut]

oh - and for the record - there are 3 active zoner factions, not two.

[Garr! Retracted!]

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::The Pennsylvania Liberation Force

[tyro]

I don't like current Zoners situation and I support changes, but I am a little suspicious about reasons of proposal of this thread. Last time, looking at diplomatic activity, I feel that someone would like to put legs into old Zoners shoes. I hope it is only my imagination.

Zoners hostile to house unlawfulls? Sorry, but it is completely wrong and against the lore and the base idea of Zoners.

If you want to merge IDs, just do, what Dab said. It is plain and simple.

If you want to split Zoners, I say ok. It is not bad idea.
- Freeport Zoners - Zoner ID - old fashion zoners, unlimited ZOI, no rep hacked, fighters, freighters, transports max 3.8k and gunboats - bigger ships only for Official factions.
- Canarian Zoners (O49, O50) - Zoner <strike>Guard</strike> Canarian ID - no ship limits, but specific diplomacy and ZOI.
Zoners players would have a choice and new possibilities to RP.

Whatever you want to do, you should talk with official factions, let them decide what they want. But let indy players to be Zoners too.

[Shryke]

Someone mentioned IND. Being invite only I'm sure it's members can behave. At least a little.

Zoner ID's are not invite only thus something needs to be done (sadly) as it was needed with Junker ID

In other words, if you have friends in convenient places you have a distinct advantage over the rest of the player base?

I'm not ragging on the IND, don't get me wrong. I just think its silly that its so automatic and accepted that "invite only" factions have advantages over the player base. If you examine it closely, all factions are invite only. I can't just up and put [LN] in my name and fly around, can I?

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[Tupacalypse]

why not leave it to the official zoner factions to decide what "needs to be done"?

Because of the two B's Bias and Balance.

Oh and there are two Zoner offical factions unless the admins are doing redo's now *shrugs*

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[Dennis Jameson]

Because of the two B's Bias and Balance.

I don't think any Corsair is fit to call people out on this. No... just no.

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Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici

10/6

[Exsiled_one]

@ Shryke - while I understand what you mean, I never had any interest in belonging myself in IND while I do know some players playing there.

Thing is that you will never find an IND player breaking game rules ( not rp rules ) or whining to admins because they got shot by pirates or anything like that. IND is invite only and even if IND player screws up you know who can you complain to.

That is not the case with factions that aren't invite only and that is why invite only factions will always have benefits should they prove to be responsible.

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<span style="color:#33CC00">I AM GIVING AWAY MONEY TO CREATIVE MINDS*</span>

[Shryke]

@ Shryke - while I understand what you mean, I never had any interest in belonging myself in IND while I do know some players playing there.

Thing is that you will never find an IND player breaking game rules ( not rp rules ) or whining to admins because they got shot by pirates or anything like that. IND is invite only and even if IND player screws up you know who can you complain to.

That is not the case with factions that aren't invite only and that is why invite only factions will always have benefits should they prove to be responsible.

I fully agree that IND behavior is impeccable. However, I can say that about many factions that use a standard ID that anyone else can pick up and be an independent. Furthermore, these "regular" factions are also invite only. Just because you can apply for them doesn't make this false. Applying merely shows interest, its up to the faction to invite the player to be a part of it. Hell, the SCRA is invite only, yet I applied and got accepted. Just because you can't apply for IND they get the special sauce on their cheeseburger?

Also, as far as conduct being reason for gameplay advantages, that just spits in the faces of the myriad of solid players that play independent characters very well but are not given such preferential treatment.

Again, not ragging on the IND or any other so-called invite only faction. But nerfing the Zoner ID due the idiocy of lolwutters its just bad form. Why hasn't the LN and LN Guard ID been obliterated into oblivion since I've ran into far more LNS sporting crackerjacks than Zoner whales.

Basing any sweeping decisions and rules on account of a few bad apples is simply idiotic.

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[Tupacalypse]

I don't think any Corsair is fit to call people out on this. No... just no.

We have Devs and Admins for a reason D.J. Let the two Zoner offical faction have their voice but in the end its up to the Dev's and Admins. Why? Because everyones bias and wants things balanced in there favor.

Oh and I don't just play the Corsairs kiddo.

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[Lance_Uppercut]

Quit flaming each other and get back on-message. Be productive and evaluate peoples' ideas on their own.

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::The Pennsylvania Liberation Force