How a player faction excludes a characteristic of the NPC faction

[n00bl3t]

Snipped it down, I can guess what it says.

Just like the Corsairs are role-playing getting food, the Zoners are role-playing invulnerable shields.

Zoner power-gaming? Potentially. But a pirate faction limited by food no longer limited by it? Forming an alliance of sorts/NAP/whatever, with a faction hostile to them since the beginning of time? Getting food shipped to from a house corporations to the homeworld?

Really?

As I said, not one-sided.

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Anything I say is not intended as offensive, and to try and deliberately misinterpret it as such would be an attempt at trolling via misrepresentation.

It's not a conspiracy, it's localised bias. They're not intelligent enough to form a conspiracy.

[McNeo]

What came first, the chicken or the egg?

[n00bl3t]

What came first, the chicken or the egg?

The Corsairs. "WE FLY IN THETA FOR OVER 800 YEARS FOOL!"

Funny thing is, they only learned how to leave their planet post 850 AS.

(In before Zelot ninja-edits the wiki.)

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Anything I say is not intended as offensive, and to try and deliberately misinterpret it as such would be an attempt at trolling via misrepresentation.

It's not a conspiracy, it's localised bias. They're not intelligent enough to form a conspiracy.

[DarthBindo]

what?
thats not what teh wiki says...and it hasnt been edited since may or soemthing.

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gone four years, first day back: Zoners still getting shot in Theta :|

[casero]

Funny how people use the word powergaming, I've brought with my samura transport around 200k food rations in around 2 months (not the last two months), that's real ingame activity, and that's just me, Samura has brought more food to crete than anyone else in the server. That's a fact, that's not powergamed, that's what we've done with our time. Enough or not to feed the whole corsair nation? I don't know, that's beyond ingame activity. But of course, it's easier to say "in rp" than "in game".

I think that there should be an autodelete function in the forum which finds posts related to Zoner/Corsairs outside the RP forum, and of course delete them. It's tiring, it's old news, geez people... and I'm pretty sure that while you were all arguing about it no one noted the buff that cannon gave to the mining mod.

[Elven]

Just like the Corsairs are role-playing getting food, the Zoners are role-playing invulnerable shields.

Zoner power-gaming? Potentially. But a pirate faction limited by food no longer limited by it? Forming an alliance of sorts/NAP/whatever, with a faction hostile to them since the beginning of time? Getting food shipped to from a house corporations to the homeworld?

Really?

As I said, not one-sided.

Eh, what about Zoners waging war? Angering Corsairs through creation of hunger isn't the best idea diplomacy-wise:P

Funny how people use the word powergaming, I've brought with my samura transport around 200k food rations in around 2 months (not the last two months), that's real ingame activity, and that's just me, Samura has brought more food to crete than anyone else in the server. That's a fact, that's not powergamed, that's what we've done with our time. Enough or not to feed the whole corsair nation? I don't know, that's beyond ingame activity. But of course, it's easier to say "in rp" than "in game".

I think that there should be an autodelete function in the forum which finds posts related to Zoner/Corsairs outside the RP forum, and of course delete them. It's tiring, it's old news, geez people... and I'm pretty sure that while you were all arguing about it no one noted the buff that cannon gave to the mining mod.

I brought 6 or 9 K food on my Unioneer too (I can provide time stamps, as Zoners won't believe:P)

[Sebastian Wolfe]

I had a similar situation pretty much within my first week or so in the Remnant.

I had come up with a plan that in-RP would have seen the Outcasts destroyed utterly: Get the Brotherhood to draw the Outcast fleet to Eta, while a CR strike team blow up the Malta docking ring and mooring port.

Baal wouldn't go for it, as it wouldn't have killed the Outcasts.

But the thing is: it would have, had the player factions of the Outcasts had all the characteristics of the NPC faction. Without access to Malta, the Outcasts would have died from Caradmine withdrawal eventually, having no more access to the only place the drug is produced.

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Don't tell them the truth : That in reality you are a potbellied german VW factory worker named Horst.

[Teek]

If the zoners are so strong, why are they asking everybody and anybody to help them?

In SP when the freeport was destroyed EVERY house and faction announced it and sent support in some form or another. well most of the factions anyway. There is a reason that all freeports are free. It is because every faction surrounding them has a use for a port that everyone can land, trade, talk diplomacy, politics, etc, etc.

Attacking a freeport would be akin to attacking an international airport. You have people of EVERY kind there, not just zoners. attacking a freeport should be something that only nomads or phantoms do. (and heck even they probably enjoy using the freeports for infiltration or something)

Honestly, the long and short is there are people on both sides that are trying to prove their e-peen is bigger the the other guys. Just stop it.

And as a side note, How can the corsairs put up so many ships and resources to this when they are supposed to be in a constant battle with the outcasts? if they want to push this in rp then they need to rp losing ground to the outcasts.

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[Ceoran]

I'm tired and pissed to see the first page covered with ooRP hatred and idiotic messages in the communication channel. You forgot the main reason you're here.

First of all, this is what I consider the most important sentence of Maos post. You are here to play the game, and not ruin it for others or live your ooRP hatred. This doesn't go only for the Corsairs, but I've noticed it showing up more often within their playerbase recently.

Apparently we are such good roleplayers we ARE our characters:)

Do you hate every corsair player?

Just think about it. How many corsair players hate their inRP enemies on an ooRP basis? Don't lie to yourself, they are there. Examples would be trial-by-forum here, so I'll refrain from doing it.

Aye. Though I am loathe to give certain folks more fuel for their bollocking, FA developed because Samura has this enormous food-producing capacity, but SynthFoods is still undercutting their prices, if I'm grokking it correctly; ergo it seems reasonable that a larger portion of this could be shipped to the 'sairs. Admittedly, being on opposite sides of Sirius, there would be a metric buggerton of danger in these shipments, and the odds of them being intercepted by various forces could be high, no?

The only ones to really make trouble outside of Kusari are the Outcasts, so it's not that much of a "buggerton" (Well, and the GMG if they catch us with artifacts). Also, Samura has a base on Kurile in Sigma-17, which isn't really far away from Gamma.

Also, why deal with Samura, when you're allied with the Hogsha, and Samura openly trading with the Corsairs could cause a massive political stink with Rhienland and (heh, as if this matters) Bretonia for Kusari?

We are shipping humanitarian goods to a starving people, no? Isn't Rheinland supplying Bretonia to some extend too? I'm sorry to hear that Rheinland has different opinion on the Corsairs than we have, but we just can't confirm the crimes you are accusing them of. :rolleyes:

No, because Rheinland are a house and Zoners are <2000 people aboard a station in Omicron Theta. BAF are fighting a defensive war, as are the Mollys. Hessians and Corsairs in Omega 5 are locked together and so are the Corsairs and OCs in Eta.

You seem to be mixing some server roleplay with mod lore there it seems, which is not necessarily the same. On the server, the OCs are pushing hard against the Corsairs, invading Gamma since there are no corsair defense lines in Eta. In mod lore, they are stuck in Eta.
The same goes for the Food supplies. They are there on the server, but not in mod lore (yet? we will see next year...). Maybe taking steps against the Zoners would have been best saved for the next version to see if you have the lore covering them.
Also, I hear the Corsairs saying that they are not interested in fighting the outcasts since they have enough to do already. How about playing out your existing wars first before creating new ones?

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Go play the game, within the given limitations. That is how role play games are played. Not by trying to work around those limitations or whining about them.

[Dab]

Of the entire Corsair vs Zoner mess, the Corsair's claims to have solved their food problem, and the Zoner's claims to be able to hold off the entirety of the Corsair navy are the only parts I disagree with. There is no lore that supports either claim. Any faction that, in lore, has a supply problem can easily make a bunch of transports or hire another faction to send them goods, but that doesn't mean it fits the roleplay. I, personally, think Samura going through the Omicrons with transports laden with food to send to Crete is plain silly. The government may be a Samura majority, but not the entirety of it, nor would the populace support Samura sending food to Corsair pirates. This is something BHG Core pulled, saying they had no supply issues when in lore, they very much did. I disagree with both.

I likewise disagree with the Zoners being so militaristic and saying they can fight off the Corsairs when all lore points towards them using trade deals in order to deal with issues that arise.

The Zoners definitely hold blame for the current problems' escalation. The Corsairs hold blame for disregarding part of the lore that happens to be the Zoner's only card to play in such a roleplay situation, forcing the Zoners to play an OORP card that doesn't fit their faction.

There is no lore to show Samura would take food to Crete, no lore to show AFA/Hogosha could even get enough food to send to Crete, or that Kusari would even support Samura doing such, let alone that a few player transports do not constitute enough supplies to feed an entire planetary nation.

At the start of the conflict I was fully on the side of the Corsairs from a community member/player point of view. However, my support for the Corsairs has been waning with this disregard for roleplay and refusal to allow the Zoners to play the roleplay established by the lore. It's a situation I find particularly disappointing. The fact that people are still criticizing the Zoners out-of-roleplay over not making any efforts to end the fighting with the Corsairs and instead taking a militant approach I find even more disappointing, since it is the Corsairs who are refusing to allow them to actually play the RP people are telling them to.

I think it's high time some players, on both sides, start thinking about the players on the other side of the fence, and start thinking realistically, instead of only what helps them the most. Everyone can roleplay whatever they want. What makes it good or bad is if it fits the lore and if it is realistic. I'm sure it's great for the Corsairs to solve their food crisis, and I'm sure it's great for the Zoners to be able to hold off the Corsair military, but neither has support of the lore, and neither is realistic given the situations both factions are in.

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