How a player faction excludes a characteristic of the NPC faction

[casero]

Furthermore, such a large scale amount of goods being taken there would be noticed by the population who, regardless of it being food to a starving people, will not take kindly to it. Starving or not, they are Corsairs and considered thieves, pirates, and murderers by the vast majority of the population. Add on the Blood Dragons, GC, OC, and Hessians who would all attempt to stop Samura's goods to Corsairs with gusto, and you've got a major problem in supply lines. The Kusari supply lines are already barely working in the Taus due to the Bretonians, Blood Dragons, Outcasts, and Golden Chrysanthemums. This is part of the storyline and lore, and cannot be ignored. This is a weakness to Samura that people have ignored because it doesn't fit into their roleplay plan.

Blood Dragons and Golden Chrysanthemums in lore are damaging the supply lines in the taus? Then why there wasn't any NPC added to represent that? Now, if you want to say that the Outcasts are weaking our supply lines in the taus, while it's being patroled by KNF capital ships, sounds a bit over the outcast's power in lore, or they can take their forces from Eta and Tau 37 to fight the KNF in the taus?
Bretonia is attempting to stop our supply line, and yet, they can't do it completely, it's not barely working, it's barely being stopped.

They are thieves, pirates and murderes, just as many people in Fuchu, that's not a reason to blindly kill them, or accept them to die for starving. One thing is giving food, another thing would be giving them guns, fuel, a base where to use to continue their piracy, Samura doesn't do that... hold on, the Zoners do. Before this problem, they weren't criminals, but now they are? They allow Corsairs docking on Freeport 1, Freeport 9, Freeport 5, Freeport 11 even when they used those Freeports to stage attacks on Bretonia and Rheinland, and NOW, just now, they considered that as a crime? While Samura just give them food, food that keeps them alive, but the food doesn't impulse their ships, the food can't be used to attack Bretonia, or to run for cover.

Funny you mention the Blood Dragons and Hessians, how do they take Zoners providing Crete with food? I mean, how can seriously the Zoners threat Samura with calling the Blood Dragons and Hessians to stop Samura from doing what the Zoners have been doing since always? "hey Hessians, shoot Samura because they provide crete with food.... that's OUR job!", if the Hessians agree on that, sounds like a cheap try to make things work on Zoner's favour. But then it'll come the "Hessians need of the zoners too", and so the mollys, and the list keeps going on right?, yes, right, everyone needs of the zoners. Except houses... Which brings the question, where do the Zoners get all the goods they transport, they produce them? All of it? Or They get it from Houses as well? And how will the Houses take the zoners providing these pirates? And that's more than just food.

You are saying that zoners can do whatever they want with everyone, because without Zoners no pirate faction would get someone providing them.

I'll stay out of this topic from now on, but saying that the zoners are the only ones capable of provide unlawful factions, sounds uncreible.

[DarthBindo]

Wait what Dab? Bretonians supporting hessians? Thats ridiculous.
Also.....We are ONLY fighting the zoners of FP9 adn O74. All the others are sticking to nuetrality.
a good part of your argument has just become invalid.

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[Geeky]

Blood Dragons and Golden Chrysanthemums in lore are damaging the supply lines in the taus? Then why there wasn't any NPC added to represent that? Now, if you want to say that the Outcasts are weaking our supply lines in the taus, while it's being patroled by KNF capital ships, sounds a bit over the outcast's power in lore, or they can take their forces from Eta and Tau 37 to fight the KNF in the taus?
Bretonia is attempting to stop our supply line, and yet, they can't do it completely, it's not barely working, it's barely being stopped.

They are thieves, pirates and murderes, just as many people in Fuchu, that's not a reason to blindly kill them, or accept them to die for starving. One thing is giving food, another thing would be giving them guns, fuel, a base where to use to continue their piracy, Samura doesn't do that... hold on, the Zoners do. Before this problem, they weren't criminals, but now they are? They allow Corsairs docking on Freeport 1, Freeport 9, Freeport 5, Freeport 11 even when they used those Freeports to stage attacks on Bretonia and Rheinland, and NOW, just now, they considered that as a crime? While Samura just give them food, food that keeps them alive, but the food doesn't impulse their ships, the food can't be used to attack Bretonia, or to run for cover.

Funny you mention the Blood Dragons and Hessians, how do they take Zoners providing Crete with food? I mean, how can seriously the Zoners threat Samura with calling the Blood Dragons and Hessians to stop Samura from doing what the Zoners have been doing since always? "hey Hessians, shoot Samura because they provide crete with food.... that's OUR job!", if the Hessians agree on that, sounds like a cheap try to make things work on Zoner's favour. But then it'll come the "Hessians need of the zoners too", and so the mollys, and the list keeps going on right?, yes, right, everyone needs of the zoners. Except houses... Which brings the question, where do the Zoners get all the goods they transport, they produce them? All of it? Or They get it from Houses as well? And how will the Houses take the zoners providing these pirates? And that's more than just food.

You are saying that zoners can do whatever they want with everyone, because without Zoners no pirate faction would get someone providing them.

I'll stay out of this topic from now on, but saying that the zoners are the only ones capable of provide unlawful factions, sounds uncreible.

Atleast in my understanding, i believe dab meant that Samura can't feed a whole planet on its own, even with slight help from the hogosha, even if they did supply that huuuuuuugggeee amount of food, it would quickly be noticed by the KNF and KSP, aswell as civilians and local kusari criminals, who wouldn't take kindly to helping the corsairs.

The difference between the freeports and that is that even though the zoners allowed Corsairs to dock and to attack bretonia from there, they also let the BAF attack the corsairs from there.

Helping both sides equals it out. Helping one screws the equation.

[Geeky]

Wait what Dab? Bretonians supporting hessians? Thats ridiculous.
Also.....We are ONLY fighting the zoners of FP9 adn O74. All the others are sticking to nuetrality.
a good part of your argument has just become invalid.

I wouldn't think it would be ridiculous. "The enemy of my Enemy is my friend". There would likely be no dunkirks flying alongside Hessian cruisers, but possibly under the table deals.

[Coin]

*Dons the fire retardant vest and some sausages to cook in the flames.*

That, sir, is an epic first post.

Because they got food by trading on freeports and pirating traders that head for freeports.

No more freeports, no more trading with lawfuls, and no more ships that trade with freeports.

so, junkers are ignored then? after all, you can buy almost anything on a junker base

The only thing I hope is that someone explain how the Corsairs will be facing a new war against one of the richest factions of Sirius (disunited, but with a large and unknown potential) without weakening other fronts.

as a benitez player i would like to thank you for your comments regarding La Familia Benitez. I would like to go on to give you a day-in-the-life of a corsair;

wake up, defend crete from o/c fleet.
go on pirating patrol in the omegas, fight off RHA, various lawfuls
reach dublin, fight with BAF, mollies, miners and their escorts
head home to gamma, have scrap with RHA in omega 5,
reach crete, scramble to fend off bounty hunters, followed by nasty mercs.

if the zoners jump in with an all out war, we'll barely notice. when we're in our ships, we are almost constantly in combat. correct me if im wrong, but isnt this the first proper scrap that the zoners have had? battle-hardened vets against 'neutralish' rookies?

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[DarthBindo]

Yeah, cept for the whole Hessian pirating bretonians making the run through 07.
SOmetimes we are all just enemies.

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gone four years, first day back: Zoners still getting shot in Theta :|

[tansytansey]

(I'm not a fan of RL examples)

Neither am I, but I would use America's stance on Cuba as an example if I were. May not be a perfect example, but it's got all the same stuff.

All that stuff about humanitarian aid is fine and dandy, until you remember what kind of people they're giving that humanitarian aid to. It's not a very humane act for the Corsairs to bomb a planet, they are pirates, looters, pillagers. Those on Crete support them, if they did not they would leave the planet and seek refuge elsewhere, where they could recieve the humanitarian aid they require.

Samura are not feeding starving children and families, no, the media will not see it that way. They will see that Samura are feeding the very pirates that plague the Omegas, Bretonia and Rheinland. One might even suggest that Kusari is aiding the Corsairs in exchange for putting pressure on Bretonia's southern borders. The media is capable of twisting things like that. And Kusari will be seen as indirectly aiding the enemy by allowing Samura Transports to continue shipping food to Crete.

The Zoners would recieve repicussions for their acts, but they would not be the only ones. It would be a chain reaction that ends very badly for Kusari.

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[mwerte]

I'd like to point out that the first Samura|- shipments to Crete were delivered in December 09

In all honesty, how many units of food has Samura delivered in the past 11 months? I know that every once in a while I'll see a [|] running food too Crete, and once in a while I'll see an indy Hogosha bringing Arties to Kusari, so I assume they took food down.

Dusty, how much has the IND brought?

Based on what I've seen (pure guestimate), 20-30k food goes from Kusari to Crete each week. Is that enough to sustain a population?

Because I dont' see another way to see someone shooting down humanitarian aid.

The edge worlds were not considered dangerous for no reason. JumpHoles collapse, ships ram rocks at cruise speed and smash the cockpit in, get lost in those disorienting clouds, engine fails and there is no help for a thousand lightyears (especially if you can't land at a zoner base). Roaming groups of non-affiliated pirates destroy a ship and captain (escape pods only have so much air, what are the chances of someone coming across you in the depths of space?) without making a 'proper RP demand', Kishiro gets word of some big Samura transport heading out into the unknown and alerts a pirate group. GMG sees a Samura transport and pew pews it without giving the captain a way out or time to get off a message, Zoners see a Samura transport and pew pews it without giving the captain a way out or time to get off a message.

Space r dangerous, thousands and thousands of reasons for a ship to mysteriously not make it to its destination. Remember, just cause the player survives means that they can open up a chat screen/Skype and say "Zoner pew pew me Q_Q". Captains do not have that luxury.

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[Mannock]

The Houses also need to Zoners (as the Junkers and the Smugglers), the production of Liberty is sell in its own space and also have markets outside its territory, in addition there are products to be imported from other places where its companies can not operate.

I doubt that any Bretonian trader go to Omega 5, possibly stay in FP1 and sell their goods there. Continuing in FP1, if Sairs and Bretonnia wanted a truce or a cease-fire, possibly would choose both this place for negotiation.

Do not be short-sighted and see the big picture, not the small details that interest us.

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[lousal]

Also.....We are ONLY fighting the zoners of FP9 adn O74. All the others are sticking to nuetrality.

Where do you have this weird construction from? Corsairs are attacking us and then they're complaining about an inRP response?

Come on, just because you can write anything it doesn't mean it's reflecting truth.

Now, if you're again falling back to some weeks before today, please explain exactly what the "Zoners of FP9 and O74" did to lose their neutrality, and please, use proper evidence this time and not your bias.

We can also cut it off and you're simply addmitting that you have no evidence of us doing something to provoke the attacks of the [A], and the failure of the Corsair factions to contain this RP abuse, am I right?

I guess that Nooblet and I should talk again about your attempt to have some RP negotiations in O74, because players who don't know to adhere to truthful statemtns are actually the cause for all of this crap.